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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 02:30
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GT protects Chairman's Lounge membership

GT has named QF the safest airline again. CL membership secure for another year.

Those freebie Sunrise flights have allowed GT a unique insight into Qantas safety and he has used his 45 years experience as a plane spotter to bring the public his informed well reasoned comparison.

https://www.traveller.com.au/qantas-...ankings-h1kscz

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AirlineRatings.com compiles an annual list of the world's safest airlines using 12 criteria including major safety incidents, the age of the fleet and the number of new aircraft, and the airline's profitability
‘Profitability’?
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Whereabouts does AirlineRatings disclose this conflict of interest?
If they were recommending purchase of Qantas shares they would have to disclose if they hold any. Different if it is a perk?
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Age of fleet? GT really stretches the truth!
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Age of fleet? GT really stretches the truth!
He can't handle the truth!

The World's safest airlines in 2019

Jetstar, VA then Q
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Originally Posted by 0ttoL
Whereabouts does AirlineRatings disclose this conflict of interest?
If they were recommending purchase of Qantas shares they would have to disclose if they hold any. Different if it is a perk?
From their Editorial Policy:
Originally Posted by Airline Ratings
Any member of the staff who accepts any inducement from any third party in relation to the writing or presentation of a report or photograph will be instantly dismissed.
Oh, check their address, still the home of the 7 West Media group:
Airline Ratings PTY Ltd.
Newspaper House, 50 Hasler Rd.
Osborne Park, 6017
Western Australia
Phone: +61 41 7936610
Email: [email protected]

At least they've gotten a third-party to hide their ownership of the airline ratings website this year!
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Whereabouts does AirlineRatings disclose this conflict of interest?
If they were recommending purchase of Qantas shares they would have to disclose if they hold any. Different if it is a perk?
Young James Shipton head of the Corporate Regulator ASIC, (son of Roger and appointed by Kelly O'Dwyer who held his Dad's old Liberal Party seat) is more than likely a member too, soft corruption reigns supreme!

As Upton Sinclair remarked:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

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Go on to the website and ask him if he is a member of the CL. It gets taken down quickly, so keep re-posting til he answers.
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Sadly, TV viewers enjoy his ****e hence the networks keep paying him to cover aviation stories. But that’s ok, let the 99% of Sunrise viewers listen to him. The other 1% of us know he is a complete ****** with no ‘real’ aviation experience. And yes, the 1% of us who are in aviation also know he is in the back pocket of a particular airline. GT = muppet.
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I don't know how this twit, GT, can get away with publishing safety ratings for airlines based on not much more than opinion and who gives him upgrades and CL membership. GT has zero actual technical qualifications or licenses.

When comparing GT's safety ratings with those of two subscription sites used by large companies to determine airline and travel policy for thousands of employees, there are some significant and potentially dangerous differences.

My company's legal department is of the opinion that GT's disclaimers are invalid as the site offers the very advice (airline safety ratings potentially affecting a choice of airline based on an "assessment") from which it seeks to disclaim itself and that the user isn't required to "agree" to the disclaimer prior to using information from the site.

Consequently, GT may find himself in court one day, based on the ratings which are completely opposite to the sites used by professionals.
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Remember the fools like GT are there spewing their rubbish to the masses via the grubby media, he's not there to appease the minority in aviation! The Joe public buy this crap,they lap it up! P377 has it correct.
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You would have assume that he isn't in the Chairman's Lounge as their own code of conduct states:

Airlineratings.com must disclose material conflicts of interest that could be seen to affect the accuracy, fairness or independence of their reports.
I can't see how you could be in charge of such a website and be in an invitation only airline lounge.
Unless there is some legal ruling that excludes being in such things doesnt constitute a conflict of interest.

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Is it known as a fact that he is a member of CL?
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You would have assume that he isn't in the Chairman's Lounge as their own code of conduct states:I can't see how you could be in charge of such a website and be in an invitation only airline lounge. Unless there is some legal ruling that excludes being in such things doesnt constitute a conflict of interest.
And I cant understand why Politicians and even CASA Executives (DAS) are given CL also. Isn’t that a conflict of interest, integrity issue, poor Governance?
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Qantas won’t say how it selects the people it gives membership to and nor will it say how many members there are.
It is a fair bet, that most of the judges, politicians, regulators and overseers of the Corporate wasteland formerly known as egalitarian Australia are in it.

Get them all involved and nobody says a thing..A rather small club of "influence" soft corruption Australian style.
Before being involved in any litigation against Qantas, it might be wise to ask the presiding judge whether or not he/she is a member..

So how much does this generosity cost Qantas shareholders? It’s impossible to say because — in yet another indication of the operation’s secrecy — the Chairman’s Lounge doesn’t get a mention in the Qantas annual report.Qantas says the cost of running the lounge is “commercial in confidence”, an indication on how important the airline sees the lounges to building and maintaining its business.
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$$$$$ In Confidence

It’s funny how ‘some’ organisations give free exclusive memberships to Politicians and political parties and even donate money to certain political campaigns (a bit of internet research even shows when and how much!) Now some folk might call that ‘lobbying’ or ‘acting with good moral intent’. Where I come from they call these things “legalised bribes and payoffs”.

I always laugh when I see companies claim ‘commercial in confidence’ over matters that technically really aren’t a true commercial in confidence matter at all. But hey, sociopaths and narcissists always think everybody around them is stupid and don’t have the intelligence to understand how the system is played.
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And I cant understand why Politicians and even CASA Executives (DAS) are given CL also. Isn’t that a conflict of interest, integrity issue, poor Governance?
Yes 100% agree, especially the Minister of a regulator. How on earth can a regulator take hospitality from those they are supposed to oversee?
This is why I wonder if there is some sort of ruling or exception given to the Chairman's Lounge.
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Airlineratings.com must disclose material conflicts of interest that could be seen to affect the accuracy, fairness or independence of their reports.
I continually post on his website asking for this disclosure, maybe if y'all did, it would bring it out into the greater media.
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A rather small club of "influence" soft corruption Australian style.
Australia would have to be the most corrupt 1st world nation. Even the US has stricter regulations on when an ex-politician can accept private sector jobs. This soft corruption is endemic, nobody seems to give a flying. Well, maybe that's incorrect, there's a lot of whinging but nothing done, no complaints made to corruption commissions.
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Originally Posted by The name is Porter
Australia would have to be the most corrupt 1st world nation. Even the US has stricter regulations on when an ex-politician can accept private sector jobs. This soft corruption is endemic, nobody seems to give a flying. Well, maybe that's incorrect, there's a lot of whinging but nothing done, no complaints made to corruption commissions.
Australia's "governance" makes third world dictatorships look clean.
Ask anyone with knowledge of the accounting disclosure and regulatory enforcement regime in Australia and they will to a person shake their head.

Wasn't there a banking royal commission?

Yes 100% agree, especially the Minister of a regulator. How on earth can a regulator take hospitality from those they are supposed to oversee?
This is why I wonder if there is some sort of ruling or exception given to the Chairman's Lounge.
Maybe not a ruling as such, rahter highly probable the defence is simply more nuanced; It can't be corrupt if we bribe both sides of the house equally....
Politicians won't say a thing, they (with a few exceptions are all in on it)
If all judges are invited, all regulators etc, then no influence is sought is the PR narrative.

James Shipton (ASIC head) would have opened a few emails and letters sliding his feet under the desk of Medcraft, who skulked away to hide another another rock at an investment bank.
One of them most definitely, signed by Dinosaur and likely pickled Leigh Clifford inviting him inside..

Of course, hiding behind commercial in confidence beckons the question, what commercial activities does the company wish to hide?

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