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Bonuses will be affected ! By the time costs are counted ( add on administrative fees ) loss of income and damage to reputation the claim against manufacturers will bring a tidy profit and performance bonuses will reflect it nicely .
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On the other hand, RR have a service centre in Singapore, but maybe their spare has been used too.
Waiting for a Black Friday deal probably
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That is to say it looks fine on paper, generates short term focus for short term incentives.
Longer term it is another expensive error, knowing the price of everything yet the cost of nothing is an extremely short sighted way to run a long term business.
Power by the hour, rented bits on wings...
Ok so your saying if QF still had an engine shop they would have a spare modular unit ready to go? Would Air NZ have oh I don’t know say 8 engines ready to go?
You do seem very angry at airline management RD however there some arguments that are not quiet balanced.
I am not advocating out sourcing everything.
There are plenty of airliners sitting around waiting for horses to be put back on the wings!
Ok so your saying if QF still had an engine shop they would have a spare modular unit ready to go? Would Air NZ have oh I don’t know say 8 engines ready to go?
You do seem very angry at airline management RD however there some arguments that are not quiet balanced.
I am not advocating out sourcing everything.
There are plenty of airliners sitting around waiting for horses to be put back on the wings!
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Maybe if they had of kept their engine shop the engine would not have failed ? Maybe if they still had all those knowlagble engine people they could repair other people’s engines ?
Who knows but many big companies are moving away from short term bonuses , they don’t work long term ( like closing down engineering depts in airlines )
Who knows but many big companies are moving away from short term bonuses , they don’t work long term ( like closing down engineering depts in airlines )
While there may be many things to criticize about the way Qantas is being run, I don't think "Power by the Hour" qualifies. Large parts of the industry are moving to Power by the Hour - and the engine companies are encouraging it for a number of reasons. First of all, it greatly simplifies spares - when the engine company owns the spares it can locate them strategically all over the world, so that when you need an engine in a hurry there is likely one close by, instead of at the operators home base which may be halfway across the globe. Plus if an operator has a run of bad luck, they won't run out of engines while another operator has three or four sitting unused. The current generation of on-board engine monitoring equipment downloads real time (or at worse at the end of every flight) - and the engine companies process that with fancy computer algorithms that can predict failures before they happen and alert the operator they need to get an engine off-wing before it actually fails. Preventive maintenance is nearly always cheaper than waiting until failure, and getting an engine off-wing prior to failure is an obvious benefit for ETOPS.
If just scratching the surface of why Power by the Hour makes good sense for many operators - especially those with smaller fleets.
If just scratching the surface of why Power by the Hour makes good sense for many operators - especially those with smaller fleets.
The current generation of on-board engine monitoring equipment downloads real time (or at worse at the end of every flight) - and the engine companies process that with fancy computer algorithms that can predict failures before they happen and alert the operator they need to get an engine off-wing before it actually fails.
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The engine goes into an engine shop when it comes off the wing . Why can’t that engine shop be in Australia ? Qantas in partnership with engine manufacturers can run engine maintenance/ repair .
Having power by the hour may be cheapest and generate more profit for investors and provide a bonus to certain managers but we as a industry gain nothing . I can hand my savings to professionals to manage , on paper I’m getting richer but I learn nothing and become reliant on them .
what happens if we fall out with trading partners ? Call me old fashioned but better to invest in self sufficiency.
Having power by the hour may be cheapest and generate more profit for investors and provide a bonus to certain managers but we as a industry gain nothing . I can hand my savings to professionals to manage , on paper I’m getting richer but I learn nothing and become reliant on them .
what happens if we fall out with trading partners ? Call me old fashioned but better to invest in self sufficiency.
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TDracer, I see you’ve read the commercial about “power by the hour”. I suspect the reality is slightly different based on my own experience.
In particular the bit about strategically placed spares, RR have bean counters too and they probably don’t like the idea of spare engines sitting around at remote airports either. Furthermore there is the question of the modification status of each module - this doesn’t always go with that, the question of matching life limits on modules to avoid frequent engine changes, and of course if it’s a generic spare, it would have to be “dressed” to suit the aircraft customisation.
I love the idea, but I suspect the reality is different.
In particular the bit about strategically placed spares, RR have bean counters too and they probably don’t like the idea of spare engines sitting around at remote airports either. Furthermore there is the question of the modification status of each module - this doesn’t always go with that, the question of matching life limits on modules to avoid frequent engine changes, and of course if it’s a generic spare, it would have to be “dressed” to suit the aircraft customisation.
I love the idea, but I suspect the reality is different.
When you're talking a small fleet of aircraft/engines, it simply isn't cost effective for an operator to have a dedicated engine shop for a small number of engines. Twelve A380s, so 48 engines plus a few spares is simply too small a fleet - unless you're talking a joint venture with a few other A380/Trent operators to get up to a reasonable number of engines (at least 100), the fixed costs become killer.
Sunfish, I'm not over familiar with the Rolls power by the hour programs - nearly all my experience was with GE. But my experience with the GE program was rather impressive. They have algorithms to determine how many spare engines they need based on the fleet size, age, and utilization - and where to park them to make sure a spare is nearby when needed.
The engine monitoring routines are good, but they are not perfect. Used properly, they can and do reduce the number of engine related issues - including shutdowns - but they won't catch everything. St. Murphy is very difficult to predict.
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Is it worth having a small fleet ? Small population ? Where does it finish . If you wanted to make money then give all the 380’s to China southern and let their economies of scale keep costs down . Can’t beat Chinese wages for pilots , engineers and they probably get RR to answer on first ring .
Keep them in Qantas colours but operated by China southern on the side .
they will increase the price each year , priories their operation and we forget how to fly .
but lots of short term bonuses and profit for investors .
Keep them in Qantas colours but operated by China southern on the side .
they will increase the price each year , priories their operation and we forget how to fly .
but lots of short term bonuses and profit for investors .
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If you are deluded in thinking anything done by current management has be designed for the Long Term Restructuring and Long Term Viability of Qantas, then pity on you.
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Centre of excellence , we got some of the best people . Take some vision and give up short term thinking , results would be after my time and senior managements . We want to be the smart country not paying one man $$$$ and aircraft stuck all over the place relying on lowest bidder to get around to it .
coat hat long walk time .
coat hat long walk time .
