Climate Change and YSSY crosswinds?

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic

One little problem with that theory of yours, its just a theory.

Produce the definitive study that proves man made Global warming or Climate Change {as it is called these days} beyond a reasonable doubt.....oh look at that...no proof...Hmmmmm!!!

10 years ago all those LEFT WING scientists were caught fudging the figures of MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING which was completely debunked, hence CLIMATE CHANGE these days yet not a shred of evidence besides that fantastic well respected Qantas theory which must prove it of course!!

Nobody denies the worlds climate changes over the centuries with various temperature fluctuations and has cycles but going all GRETA THUNBERG on us and claiming its MAN MADE is a touch much dont you think!!

Thats what this whole argument is about, LEFTIES claiming climate change is all man made....get a grip!!!

Please provide links to verified studies (not blog posts) for your claims:

“MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING which was completely debunked”

“claiming its MAN MADE is a touch much dont you think”

Here’s some studies and info for you to read:

The 97% consensus on global warming

The Causes of Climate Change

Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

[EastofKoksy]

Originally Posted by 73qanda

From today’s newspaper. A Qantas executive suggests the higher cancellation rate is due climate change.

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At least he didn't try to blame Brexit which is the standard management excuse in the UK.

[Mk 1]

Originally Posted by airdualbleedfault

So cute when they talk about "historic" measurements of the past 10,20,30 or even 200 years in regards to a planet that's some 2 billion years old

No, the "historic" measurements you refer to are confirmed from Ice cores that go back nearly a million years.

[Derfred]

The per capita statisitic is such a furphy as the reality is Australia generates very little of the worlds total CO2, which after all is the problem,

In terms of implementing a solution, the per capita statistic is valid, because the solution needs to come from government. Therefore it must be political. There will be a short-term cost, that will ultimately be borne by citizens.

How can the world persuade China (which contributes 25% of emissions) to improve their game, when they can just point at Australia and say that we are worse than they are?

[Mk 1]

Originally Posted by Lookleft

... If the science is so sound how come 10 years ago they didn't predict that the climate emergency would exist in 2019? .

The whistle was blown on anthropogenic climate change in the late 1960's and definitely in the 1970's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...change_science

[Lookleft]

The whistle was blown on anthropogenic climate change in the late 1960's and definitely in the 1970's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...change_science

But they gave us until the end of the 21st century, then it was 2050 now its 2030. So if the science is so sound why wasn't 2030 always nominated as crunch time?

In terms of implementing a solution, the per capita statistic is valid, because the solution needs to come from government. Therefore it must be political. There will be a short-term cost, that will ultimately be borne by citizens. How can the world persuade China (which contributes 25% of emissions) to improve their game, when they can just point at Australia and say that we are worse than they are?

If we are a minnow economically and a micro organism military why does it matter what our emissions are which from an actual physical amount basis is miniscule? If we want to reduce our per capita emissions then we just allow more immigration. It is a BS statistic.

[Asturias56]

Dates are all to do with what you think you can get away with .............. 1C, 2C, 3C.......

The planet is warming naturally, the rate of warming has increased due to industrialisation since 1700 and TBH there isn't much we can do about it medium term. The sea levels WILL rise, deserts will spread and the ice cap will shrink. But then again much of Canada and Russia will be available for crops and settlement.

It means vast movements of population - and don't think they can be stopped

I don't think buying an electric car will make any difference whatsoever

[Ian W]

Originally Posted by machtuk

Christ almighty! Would be cheaper to build every airport world wide as all over fields than to try and change what's been going on since the the planet was formed!
I bet the other Airlines CEO's (better known as Cash Extraction Officers) are kicking themselves they didn't get in on the Climate Change fairy tale!

There are other alternatives.... the circular runway project

[Asturias56]

Struck me that Australia will look like the Gulf today, New Zealand will look like Australia now and the UK (whats still above water) will be like Spain

[Rocchi]

"and the UK (whats still above water) will be like Spain." Lovely, Scotland with a Mediterranean climate, great thing, cannae wait. And funny thing here, we have climate change twice a year. Just now we are going in to a cold period. If the climate changes more than that I will start to worry.
Can't help feeling there is too much propaganda in all this climate debate.

[Asturias56]

No - it's happening Rocchi - check out the science. Scotland was covered in several hundred meters of ice a couple of million years back https://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeo...eAge/home.html - its warmed up a little since then.

The media coverage is all generated about who to blame, who can profit and who gets shafted

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by directimped

I didn't realise so many pilots were qualified climate scientists, who knew?

I’m not a qualified climate scientist....

But I’ll post a few links to some scientists who can debunk some of the nonsense written by some posters here. For instance here are 200 international scientific bodies (including the Australian Academy of Science, BoM, CSIRO and Australian Meterological and Oceanographic Society) who have concluded the global climate is changing and is human induced:

The following are scientific organizations that hold the position that Climate Change has been caused by human action

Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by directimped

Not in response to you, Dre. I'll take my climate science facts from peer reviewed papers and not some old geezers on pprune who think they are climate science experts because they have spent 50 years reading TAF's and flying around the outback.

They don’t think they’re experts because they can read a TAF.

They think they’re experts because the media they consume tells them that all the climate scientists are liars and it’s all a big conspiracy.

It doesn’t matter how many factual peer reviewed studies you present at the end of the day it’s just a big con that all scientists have bought into and all the data is fake anyway.

[Lookleft]

They think they’re experts because the media they consume tells them that all the climate scientists are liars and it’s all a big conspiracy.

Really? Media like the ABC who are definitely pro climate change emergency.

I’m not a qualified climate scientist....

Neither is Ross Garnaut, he's an economist yet he is considered an expert, neither is Tim Flannary, he is a paleontologist yet he is considered an expert, neither Sir David (he's the new Messiah) Attenborough, he is a television presenter yet he is considered an expert. The reason the "geezers" push back against this stuff is that they have seen it before. Acid rain "roone they cried!", "nuclear winter "roone they cried!" and the best one of all Y2K "roone they cried!" including all the worlds "experts" and especially the UN. Because the time frame hasn't got the population agitated enough it has had to be declared as a climate emergency so that radical groups like Extinction Rebellion can carry on like anarchists of old and disrupt everyday life in the "name of the climate".

BTW the ABC had an article on their website about the BoM discovery of SSW over Antarctica. The BoM were very careful to state that it wasn't linked to climate change. You might find that the science might start toning down the rhetoric in the coming years.

[str12]

Flight sim

I flew a 747 in MS Flight sim, was a piece of piss so I can therefore fly anything. Anyone got any questions on Commercial aviation just ask me. I may not be trained, qualified or any form of aviation expert but I have an opinion and will argue the toss with any commercial, military or private pilot.

Signed,

Clime Ate Scientist

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Lookleft

Really? Media like the ABC who are definitely pro climate change emergency.

Or just pro “saying what the scientists say”.

Neither is Ross Garnaut, he's an economist yet he is considered an expert, neither is Tim Flannary, he is a paleontologist yet he is considered an expert, neither Sir David (he's the new Messiah) Attenborough, he is a television presenter yet he is considered an expert.

Theyre considered experts because they are repeating what actual climate scientists say. Deniers praise morons like Andrew Bolt or Alan Jones as truth tellers on climate.

and the best one of all Y2K "roone they cried!" including all the worlds "experts" and especially the UN.

Actually Y2K was barely a problem because intelligent people listened to what experts in the field were saying, and on a global scale took measures to prevent bad things from occurring. Sort of how people need to listen to what scientists are saying now.

BTW the ABC had an article on their website about the BoM discovery of SSW over Antarctica. The BoM were very careful to state that it wasn't linked to climate change. You might find that the science might start toning down the rhetoric in the coming years.

Maybe it wasn’t? The BoM is composed of scientists. After looking at the data and evidence and using their years of expertise they came to their conclusion that this one event isn’t linked to AGW. But the BoM does hold the solid position that human beings are affecting the climate in a negative way. That science won’t change. In the scientific community that position is now as solid as belief in a spherical earth despite all the deniers saying that a debate still exists amongst the community. There isn’t.

The only debate that exists is if negative effects of the change can be stopped. Some scientists think it’s inevitable and unchangeable now. But there are zero credible scientists who will back up the views espoused by the very loud climate denial lobby.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by str12

I flew a 747 in MS Flight sim, was a piece of piss so I can therefore fly anything. Anyone got any questions on Commercial aviation just ask me. I may not be trained, qualified or any form of aviation expert but I have an opinion and will argue the toss with any commercial, military or private pilot.

Signed,

Clime Ate Scientist

Too true. Have a conversation with any credible expert at any science organisation or school in this country. They view climate deniers like pilots view chemtrail morons.

[Vag277]

11,000 "scientists" signing something in support is as relevant as 11,000 catholics supporting the infallibility of the pope. Both meaningless. See here for the list of signatories. https://oup.silverchair-cdn.com/oup/...5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Vag277

11,000 "scientists" signing something in support is as relevant as 11,000 catholics supporting the infallibility of the pope. Both meaningless.

I’m more referring to the over 12,000 peer reviewed studies that confirm the fact that climate change is caused by humans:

Skeptical Science Study Finds 97% Consensus on Human-Caused Global Warming in the Peer-Reviewed Literature

[Rated De]

Originally Posted by dr dre

I’m more referring to the over 12,000 peer review studies that confirm the fact that climate change is caused by humans:

Skeptical Science Study Finds 97% Consensus on Human-Caused Global Warming in the Peer-Reviewed Literature

The hapless Mr Andrew David is neither interested in climate science, nor much a reader.
He was interested in deflecting away attention from a cancellation rate that is beginning to impact his self enrichment "bonus" enshrined in OTP.