QF Flight Attendant Accused of Racism by will.i.am
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Now, I will be the first to acknowledge that most elements of Qantas service these days are substandard. Regardless, what an absolutely egotistical ****. Idiot rockstars who expect to be allowed to do as they wish because everybody panders to each of their inflated needs. They don’t like situations in which they are not the ones in control and not the ones calling the shots, such as on a commercial flight where the the crew have legal delegations under the civil aviation safety act. And of course, the police, who have legal powers also as defined under an Act. Poor old sooky Mr Rockstar couldn’t handle being ‘directed’.
Hey Will You Aren’t, go home you muppet. We don’t want you here, go home. And it’s not about skin colour, it’s because you are a knob. And as far as racism goes, you have the word ‘black’ in your band title, isn’t that racist?
many Captains that lazily just take a FA's word regardless of fact.
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is this guy for real? Inspect the service and toilets? And “ill send the FO back”, might have been acceptable in 1975 mate but post 9/11, flight crew at my company are strongly advised NOT to get involved with unruly passengers.
sorry, I’m still laughing at the thought of a Captain inspecting the alcholol service. That’s a belter
I’m no fan of the use of the race card, but the comments from other passengers (supporting will.i.am) would seem to add credence to his story.
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Just another second/third/whatever rate 'entertainer' trying to raise his profile AFAIC!
Anyone wishing to disagree with that; Your right to do so is acknowledged.
Oh, and I wear noise reduction/cancelling headphones when travelling to and from Japan each year and I can still always hear the in flight announcements.
Anyone wishing to disagree with that; Your right to do so is acknowledged.
Oh, and I wear noise reduction/cancelling headphones when travelling to and from Japan each year and I can still always hear the in flight announcements.
FWIW I suspect a heavy handed F/A / crew and an egotistical lefty/muso ’god’ used to being feted by all those around.
What I find absolutely disgraceful is the use of the race card.
Australian neo Nazi rules are incomprehensible to the rest of the world. That does NOT make for an attack based on race.
What I find absolutely disgraceful is the use of the race card.
Australian neo Nazi rules are incomprehensible to the rest of the world. That does NOT make for an attack based on race.
Bendy , the above statement shows that you A) aren’t currently a pilot in an Ausi Airline and B) Don’t know the current rules/regs around flight deck security.
Police, bar managers, Airline Captains etc will all differ as individuals as to how they apply the legislation. I reckon Will I am just came across someone who applied the rules hard and fast and was not going to muck around with third or fourth chances to comply with crew instructions. It’s also not unthinkable that the crew member was under stress and over reacted. Who knows? Probably no one on this forum.
It’s tricky as a Captain, I started off just backing the crew and after a few years had one situation where, if I could go back in time, I would have played a cooler hand. Since then, I’m a little more judicious around these events and give quite clear instructions about de escalating the situation and changing which crew member is dealing with the difficult pax etc.
Edited to add; strangely enough, my first ever disruptive pax ( departing Brisbane) as a Captain was also a mega famous American rapper although he was from the first generation of rap super stars and started disrupting business class before we even pushed back.
To never audit your flights is a surprise as even since post 9/11, no CASA reg denies your ability to confirm your ship, is ship shape or to leave the locked door other than a toilet break - that has become a personal decision long before 9/11 and some companies policy. But that does not remove the requirement of the Captain being in charge of the ship overriding company policy.
PMS is real, more real with some than others - it even has a name. I am not saying it was PMS or anti American or Musician but they are possibilities and any true professional would consider them as part of an evaluation.
The other option is to simply give 100% control of the cabin to Cabin Crew, do as they seem fit - they are correct anyway!
Will you back them if they start an evacuation? they did access the situation - you will back them every time.
Or are there times you wont trust them every time?
And no not a Airline Pilot, but been in the game a very long time.
Had a only ever go-around in Singapore, the Captain got on the intercom soon after and said the stacking was a bit too close for him and was happy to chat when we landed. He was front and centre after landing and most pax just walked past as he said good bye to all on the aircraft. The group of 3 of us (aviation persons) saw he was visibly drained as we walked passed, we simply said good job, I guess the stacking was very close. I wish we and others took the time to talk to him, he clearly wanted to talk to someone.
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Just as there are pain in the ass passengers there can also be pain in the ass pilots and cabin crew. I’ve been a passenger on a flight where the No1 was picking a fight with a guy over cabin bag stowage (on the ground). I can’t remember exactly what it was about, but I do remember thinking the pax had a good case while the no1 was digging her heels in rather petulantly. The Captain came out and immediately took the side of the No1without listening to both sides.
It may have been the easiest choice for him to make, but I didn’t think it was fair. Fortunately the situation didn’t escalate as it might easily have done. The unfortunate pax was big enough to let it go.
I guess it comes down to how individuals on both sides think, those with ‘power’ vs the ‘plebs’. It’s quite interesting.
It may have been the easiest choice for him to make, but I didn’t think it was fair. Fortunately the situation didn’t escalate as it might easily have done. The unfortunate pax was big enough to let it go.
I guess it comes down to how individuals on both sides think, those with ‘power’ vs the ‘plebs’. It’s quite interesting.
I’ve been a passenger on a flight where the No1 was picking a fight with a guy over cabin bag stowage (on the ground). I can’t remember exactly what it was about, but I do remember thinking the pax had a good case while the no1 was digging her heels in rather petulantly. The Captain came out and immediately took the side of the No1without listening to both sides.
There’s no disagreements between pax and F/As that require the adjudication of the Captain. This isn’t a court case. The Cabin Crew, deriving their authority from the P.I.C, issue instructions to the passengers. The passengers don’t have the right to appeal their instructions to the Captain for final adjudication. They aren’t going to be using other passengers as witnesses to back up their case.
Sure, as P.I.C a Captain may disagree with what F/A has done and has authority to alter their decisions, but a good Captain will back up their crew. There’s only one crew on an airliner, not two seperate pilot and F/A crews.
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and a good Captain will back up their crew.
So if a crew member lost their rag punched a pax in the face, you’d back them up?
It’s an extreme example, but it’s on a sliding scale, the principle is what it’s about.
I saw myself as a human being first, a captain somewhere behind that.
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The Captain (during "flight") is in charge of the entire ship, delegation is an option of duty but never removes responsibility.
To never audit your flights is a surprise as even since post 9/11, no CASA reg denies your ability to confirm your ship, is ship shape or to leave the locked door other than a toilet break - that has become a personal decision long before 9/11 and some companies policy. But that does not remove the requirement of the Captain being in charge of the ship overriding company policy.
PMS is real, more real with some than others - it even has a name. I am not saying it was PMS or anti American or Musician but they are possibilities and any true professional would consider them as part of an evaluation.
The other option is to simply give 100% control of the cabin to Cabin Crew, do as they seem fit - they are correct anyway!
Will you back them if they start an evacuation? they did access the situation - you will back them every time.
Or are there times you wont trust them every time?
And no not a Airline Pilot, but been in the game a very long time.
Had a only ever go-around in Singapore, the Captain got on the intercom soon after and said the stacking was a bit too close for him and was happy to chat when we landed. He was front and centre after landing and most pax just walked past as he said good bye to all on the aircraft. The group of 3 of us (aviation persons) saw he was visibly drained as we walked passed, we simply said good job, I guess the stacking was very close. I wish we and others took the time to talk to him, he clearly wanted to talk to someone.
To never audit your flights is a surprise as even since post 9/11, no CASA reg denies your ability to confirm your ship, is ship shape or to leave the locked door other than a toilet break - that has become a personal decision long before 9/11 and some companies policy. But that does not remove the requirement of the Captain being in charge of the ship overriding company policy.
PMS is real, more real with some than others - it even has a name. I am not saying it was PMS or anti American or Musician but they are possibilities and any true professional would consider them as part of an evaluation.
The other option is to simply give 100% control of the cabin to Cabin Crew, do as they seem fit - they are correct anyway!
Will you back them if they start an evacuation? they did access the situation - you will back them every time.
Or are there times you wont trust them every time?
And no not a Airline Pilot, but been in the game a very long time.
Had a only ever go-around in Singapore, the Captain got on the intercom soon after and said the stacking was a bit too close for him and was happy to chat when we landed. He was front and centre after landing and most pax just walked past as he said good bye to all on the aircraft. The group of 3 of us (aviation persons) saw he was visibly drained as we walked passed, we simply said good job, I guess the stacking was very close. I wish we and others took the time to talk to him, he clearly wanted to talk to someone.
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I’m slightly concerned by the absolute blind faith in your FAs.
I’ll support them.....but before that I’ll weigh up the situation and determine the correct course of action, and make sure what they are saying is right. because ultimately any heat will land back on me if it was the wrong call.
And they are humans too, so sometimes pander to their own opinions and predujices .
I had one FA try and get me offload a pax because they didn’t like their tatoos......they weren’t offensive just revealed a political side the FA didn’t like.
Er, no, is the answer.
I’ll support them.....but before that I’ll weigh up the situation and determine the correct course of action, and make sure what they are saying is right. because ultimately any heat will land back on me if it was the wrong call.
And they are humans too, so sometimes pander to their own opinions and predujices .
I had one FA try and get me offload a pax because they didn’t like their tatoos......they weren’t offensive just revealed a political side the FA didn’t like.
Er, no, is the answer.
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needed the publicity
its another zzzz lister from an over the hill band looking for attention and recognition. He knows the rules, but its ok to break them as he is famous and a man of colour, so he can play that card. And lets use social media to name and shame this person, who is likely restricted by company policy from doing the same thing. Yes Mr.agrieved got his publicity, some sympathy and once again demonstrated how good social media is for those who crave/want/need attention.
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Seems this was the same CSM who was involved in the 'Veronicas' fiasco @ https://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...940e56ca587fa7
Waiting for the Veronicas to issue a retraction/apology.... oh wait...
On one Facebook post from a news outlet, a person claiming to be a passenger on the flight said that William's entourage were causing issues at check in, and then again when trying to bring on oversized guitaer cases. When told they would need to gate check the cases, apparently they became argumentative.
When asked for proof, the woman posted a picture of her boarding pass from the flight.
make of that what you will.
