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QF Flight Attendant Accused of Racism by will.i.am

Old 17th Nov 2019, 14:12
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So Bendalot,

Now that you’ve doubled down on your archaic thinking, I have to ask. Should women be allowed to vote of they are PMSing?

Should the captain send the Effo back to deal with the rowdy hijackers demanding this bus go to Colombo?

You’re an absoloute fecking pillock.

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Old 17th Nov 2019, 16:54
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Originally Posted by JustinHeywood View Post
I’m no fan of the use of the race card, but the comments from other passengers (supporting will.i.am) would seem to add credence to his story.
Evidently he was travelling with a group, perhaps they are the ones who supported his POV?
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 19:19
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Some points worth noting,

At no time did he refuse to comply with FA instructions, as far as we know. The FA accused him of not acting fast enough.

We have all misheard instructions as a pax while wearing headphones, let’s not go overboard.

His accusations of racism appear to be verified by other pax and the lack of interest from the rozzers.

I have two family members with dark skin and both have been subject to racism on Qantas flights.

As a reasonably frequent customer of QF long haul it is my experience that QF FA’s can be overly......insistent and often impatient with customers.

In my experience as an airline pilot for many years, FA’s can be very quick to over react to customers who are not completely or immediately compliant and I would suggest PIC’s react with some skepticism and investigate at least a little before simply siding with FA’s.

To suggest he should simply “go home” is akin to installing blinkers to a very real issue QF should be paying a little more attention to.

Contrary to to one of the posts above an irrelevant point is worth noting, Will I Am is an incredibly successful entertainer in numerous fields.

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Old 17th Nov 2019, 19:54
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Heard a story of an Aussie Captain a few years ago flying for an overseas airline.
The senior FA complained to the captain that a man in first class put his hand up her skirt.
captain looked up and asked "Did he find anything?"
Apparently the cockpit door almost came off its hinges as it slammed.
The Fo muttered "Thats the last coffee we'll get for the rest of the flight"
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 20:51
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Originally Posted by thorn bird View Post
Heard a story of an Aussie Captain a few years ago flying for an overseas airline.
The senior FA complained to the captain that a man in first class put his hand up her skirt.
captain looked up and asked "Did he find anything?"
Apparently the cockpit door almost came off its hinges as it slammed.
The Fo muttered "Thats the last coffee we'll get for the rest of the flight"
Similar experience with slamming cockpit door! Flight Engineer asks purser ‘What to you call a woman who has lost 75% of her brain power? Purser response, I don’t know. F/E - A widow!’ ��������.

Needless to say, we were all very hungry by the end of the flight. And before the outrage bus gets cranked up, it was 35 plus years ago when flight crew used to interact, have a bit of fun at someone else’s expense, more than often it was the tech crew on the receiving end. Managed to get the job done safely and most were good humoured about the ribbing. Very glad to be retired and freely admit that I would not cope with the new age workplace. ��
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 21:14
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Originally Posted by Longtimer View Post
Evidently he was travelling with a group, perhaps they are the ones who supported his POV?
There were a couple of tweets from other ‘passengers’ supporting WillIAM’s story in the media reporting , and I checked them out. (I have no life).

One was from an Australian academic (science), so it seems legitimate.

The other was from a conservative social media commentator, and was meant to be a sarcastic piss-take and not meant to be taken seriously, yet the media took it at face value- which he found highly amusing.

It would seem to me that if the F/A was targeting every person of colour on that flight as claimed, there would be more evidence than there is.


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Old 17th Nov 2019, 23:00
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Since none of us were there it's hard to gauge the accuracy of reports.

Is it possible that the FA was also involved with the alleged 'difficulties' with oversize carry-on baggage (guitars) at check-in ? And the antics later reflected some frustration ?

A musician's guitar is very precious to them and they generally don't want to check them in as hold baggage due to the inevitable rough treatment said baggage receives.

Perhaps they had been lucky in the past with flights that were not full and had been allowed to stow them in the cabin ?

I've heard of some musicians that pay for an extra seat for their guitar or other instrument.

Only those that were there will know the truth

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Old 17th Nov 2019, 23:31
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Originally Posted by thorn bird View Post
Heard a story of an Aussie Captain a few years ago flying for an overseas airline.
The senior FA complained to the captain that a man in first class put his hand up her skirt.
captain looked up and asked "Did he find anything?"
Apparently the cockpit door almost came off its hinges as it slammed.
The Fo muttered "Thats the last coffee we'll get for the rest of the flight"
You think a crew member being assaulted and sexually harassed isn’t worthy of action?
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 23:52
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Did I say that?

It was a story I heard a long long time ago.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 00:02
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I hope a good Captain would take action, unlike some of the other commentators on this thread who seem to think it’s all a joke and “Political Correctness Gone Mad!”
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 00:11
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I concur with dr dre

The attitudes towards women displayed by a few posters on this thread are deplorable.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 00:20
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As Will-I-Am says......."I want to scream and shout and let it all out"

I have seen many so called celebs on flights and around aviation and most are twats!
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 00:33
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Were there any people of non colour (?) on board also using a laptop and wearing noise cancelling headphones at the same time? Bit hard to play the race card if he was the only person in that situation. Sounds like a knob to me.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 00:56
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Originally Posted by TWT View Post
I concur with dr dre

The attitudes towards women displayed by a few posters on this thread are deplorable.
Thanks TWT,

As this thread has shown (and some other threads regarding female pilots) there’s somewhat of an attitude adjustment needed towards women working in aviation. When we have a line of thought on this thread that pilots shouldn’t trust cabin crew (majority female) when they report bad passenger behaviour due to it being “that time of the month” it seems Reg Ansett’s arguments from the 70’s persist.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 01:12
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Originally Posted by TWT View Post
I concur with dr dre

The attitudes towards women displayed by a few posters on this thread are deplorable.
without context that is a funny post

Dre did write a song called “bitches ain’t shit”
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 01:16
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Originally Posted by thorn bird View Post
Heard a story of an Aussie Captain a few years ago flying for an overseas airline.
The senior FA complained to the captain that a man in first class put his hand up her skirt.
captain looked up and asked "Did he find anything?"
Apparently the cockpit door almost came off its hinges as it slammed.
The Fo muttered "Thats the last coffee we'll get for the rest of the flight"
Appreciate could just be an old yarn but if true, this Aussie expat isn't fit to hold a command.

Cowardly and a dereliction of duty.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 02:20
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Its a second hand story from long ago. I’ve always found that those who are quick to jump in and lecture others on morality usually turn out to have feet of clay.

The best people are usually not so quick to judge
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 02:25
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How good are these noise-cancelling headphones? So good they become a health hazard because the SLF can't hear safety announcements?

People wearing headphones need to be identified as having hearing difficulties and treated with the same sensitivity extended to people who cannot hear for other (non-NC headphones) reasons. How are FAs trained to deal with deaf people?
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 09:34
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
The Veronicas stunt was set up by them to publicise their reality TV show.
Meghan Washington, Kelly Rowland etc. all are high profile characters, all have had run ins with the company.

there is something toxic in the stream. I’ve seen it. It’s real, wheither people choose to believe it or not.

the unfortunate thing is, on a plane, there is no choice but to accept the demeaning behaviour and comply with instructions because the alternative is as experienced. This company, being the primary service provider for Australia makes things even harder to object.

Complaints fall on deaf ears. No wonder, given the attitudes expressed here... :/

notwithstanding - he could’ve handled things better, but obviously the attendant was a persistent one.

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Old 18th Nov 2019, 10:41
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From the AGE newspaper...

"Qantas says it is willing to help one of its cabin crew members take defamation action against pop star will.i.am if he does not retract his accusation she racially discriminated against him".


Great to see that QF has publicly backed its crew....and one would have to think that it would have had more first hand information than many "commentators" most likely had access to.
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