REX Screws Australian Pilots Again
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Also insurance companies set minimum pilots requirements not the company generally...
Any link to pilot employment standards would only be a consideration if/when it can/could be shown this is a significant, continuing contributing factor.
Supply/employment of pilots is subject to the laws of supply and demand where airline operators have had a very good time since Frank Lorenzo and his ilk, the accountants, bankers and of course Airline Mangers (i.e. Clerks) took over running the industry where all airline workers (including pilots) have been right royally screwed with their salaries, working conditions very significantly reduced. Airlines have never had any compulsion or pilot considerations when furloughing, retrenching or reducing pilot numbers.
And let us not start on the effect of HR!
This without noting the above managers, bankers and accountants have ensured their salaries, conditions have continued to improve significantly.
Pilots similar to any other workers will (and should) continuously assess the quality of their salaries, working conditions when applying for a position and thereafter; should better opportunities a be available it becomes their decision whether they will move and improve their lifestyle and the lifestyle of their families.
It is incumbent upon airline operators to provide attractive working conditions and salaries to enabling them to hire and keep good people.
As previously pointed out airlines in the past have employed pilots with minimum hours successfully training them to become highly competent multi-engine jet captains accepting this was a cost of running an airline (that is until Lorenzo etal)
There are airlines today who employ people to be pilots train them and put them in the right hand seat with a bare 250 plus hours.
Why are Australian airlines operators no longer capable of doing this?
What makes Australian airline operators so different from other airlines around the globe?
Rodney Rude. Wouldn’t these Pilots be bonded in some way? So they’d have to pay the residual bond if they were to leave early in the chase for their preferred base. If that’s the case, the company recovers their investment (albeit probably not all) and moves on.
DE guys at rex must pay the endorsement, cadets have their loan and scholarshop bonds for 7 years. Some cadets have left and paid over 100k to fly for another airline before their 7 years , that shows how much people want to leave. Rex get their tidy sum, the cadet gets a job that pays 3 times their rex wage (if an FO). As someone said before, the market was on the side of the employee but rex changed the rules. Wage stagnation and the revolving door continues.
I'm lost on this. If you don't like the company rules then don't join. Rex should not be paying for your training if you don't intend on staying. If you leave then like any institution you pay what you owe. Go to Uni and use HEX then you pay it back.
DE guys at rex must pay the endorsement, cadets have their loan and scholarshop bonds for 7 years. Some cadets have left and paid over 100k to fly for another airline before their 7 years , that shows how much people want to leave. Rex get their tidy sum, the cadet gets a job that pays 3 times their rex wage (if an FO). As someone said before, the market was on the side of the employee but rex changed the rules. Wage stagnation and the revolving door continues.
Rex gets DOHA approval for 482 visa pilots: NOVEMBER 11, 2019
Regional Express Airlines has struck a deal with the Department of Home Affairs - “For example, Rex has gone to extraordinary lengths to overcome the critical shortage of pilots by establishing a pilot academy over 10 years to train local cadets to be airline pilots with Rex.”.
Regional Express Airlines has struck a deal with the Department of Home Affairs - “For example, Rex has gone to extraordinary lengths to overcome the critical shortage of pilots by establishing a pilot academy over 10 years to train local cadets to be airline pilots with Rex.”.
Absolute and complete gibberish.
No pilots in Australia ? Or, no Australian pilots who will work for the junk wages at Regional Express Airlines (REX) ?
What exactly are the wages at REX?
Dejavu - you really do have a **** attitude. My point is NOT about loyalty to Rex or any other 2nd or 3rd level operator. My point, which you have totally missed is that its not just airlines doing the screwing. Pilots are good at it too and it goes both ways. GET IT? And its not just at the lower levels - I know 2 guys who have been with one of our jet carriers for just 6 months but are not based where they want to be, so they are both doing interviews now for another airline. So they have no qualms about screwing over the airline that just trained them. Is that right or wrong???????? That's not my point - my point is that for every pilot screwed by an airline as Darky accused Rex of, there is a pilot screwing the other way. Get my point now Deja??? So take your boohoo and stick it up your arse.
Things have changed a little recently, market forces if you like, and those who have had it their way for so long want to cry its unfair when the boot is on the other foot.
A couple of pilots choose to leave after 6 months on "their jets" and this is the end of the world, maybe Mr Rude it demonstrates incompetence in the recruiting department. Then again Mr Rude gets dicked about by Virgin, WTF! this is the end of the world when he is travelling the world, for work, surely they know who he is, I mean 35 years in Aviation, wow. But yes, I get it, big fish in small pond syndrome.
59-72k from year 1 to 10 as FO
98-119k Captain
FOs loaded in every base so little to no overtime.
Captains are few and far between but they won't upgrade anyone because no one wants to move to Sydney.
98-119k Captain
FOs loaded in every base so little to no overtime.
Captains are few and far between but they won't upgrade anyone because no one wants to move to Sydney.
An application for PR is possible after 3 years - and a grant can take a long time (years) and you are still tied to the old visa conditions until PR is granted or the old visa expires.
This can be far worse than any financial bonds imposed on top.
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I must be missing something, 10 years of aapa running & 20 plus coarses run & 223 cadets graduated. In the spill for aapa many moons ago, aapa was born to stop Rex having a pilot shortage!
A standard year for a first year FO (DE) will earn 75-80. Hasn’t been unheard of guys earning 100k+ In recent times...
Some year 3+ Captain’s pushing 160k-180k.
Not as bad as it seems, but they work unnecessarily hard for it. There definitely needs to be some sort of pay rise.
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Beached AZ is spot on.
6 years ago with 15,000+ hours including 12k+ jet command and Saab endorsed when they were complaining about no pilots in Australia and having to try Russian pilots I applied offering 2 years and did not even get the benefit of a reply other than a bounce back email that application had been received. Their recruitment department is as useless as ..... They have no one to blame but their lack of respect to actually reply to qualified potential crew.
6 years ago with 15,000+ hours including 12k+ jet command and Saab endorsed when they were complaining about no pilots in Australia and having to try Russian pilots I applied offering 2 years and did not even get the benefit of a reply other than a bounce back email that application had been received. Their recruitment department is as useless as ..... They have no one to blame but their lack of respect to actually reply to qualified potential crew.
Rex's ASIAN owners need to be held to account by Australia and FORCED to pay decent wages and PRIORITISE AUSTRALIAN Pilots over foreign imports. F#CK those Singapore C#nts!
Before someone flames me be honest, you are all thinking it. Just that no one has the guts to say it!
Before someone flames me be honest, you are all thinking it. Just that no one has the guts to say it!
Year 1 = 60k plus DTA (Average 15-20k) plus allowances.
A standard year for a first year FO (DE) will earn 75-80. Hasn’t been unheard of guys earning 100k+ In recent times...
Some year 3+ Captain’s pushing 160k-180k.
Not as bad as it seems, but they work unnecessarily hard for it. There definitely needs to be some sort of pay rise.
Pay is not as bad as I thought - unless you’re Sydney based. As far getting burned out? Overwork, min rest and chronic fatigue is the new normal all over the world. I blame efficient computerised rostering systems for this.
Sadly, it’s got to the stage now that pilots have only one commodity to sell - their health.
Sadly, it’s got to the stage now that pilots have only one commodity to sell - their health.
Dejavu - you really do have a **** attitude. My point is NOT about loyalty to Rex or any other 2nd or 3rd level operator. My point, which you have totally missed is that its not just airlines doing the screwing. Pilots are good at it too and it goes both ways. GET IT? And its not just at the lower levels - I know 2 guys who have been with one of our jet carriers for just 6 months but are not based where they want to be, so they are both doing interviews now for another airline. So they have no qualms about screwing over the airline that just trained them. Is that right or wrong???????? That's not my point - my point is that for every pilot screwed by an airline as Darky accused Rex of, there is a pilot screwing the other way. Get my point now Deja??? So take your boohoo and stick it up your arse.
I’ve observed that pilots are very loyal initially but over time get nailed one to many times and at a certain point decide it’s going to go back the other way.
Vast majority however are very loyal and do whatever they can to make the place a success. What airlines get away with wouldn’t be tolerated in other industries.
Having said that some of the sick rates wouldn’t be tolerated in other industries, so it’s a two way street.
