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Jetstar Pulling out of regional NZ

Old 27th Sep 2019, 18:13
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On a positive note... at least the delays on app into akl airport may improve from end Nov ...��
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 03:40
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Originally Posted by slamer. View Post
On a positive note... at least the delays on app into akl airport may improve from end Nov ...��
Some days their A320's are nearly as slow as their Q300's.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 04:12
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Some days their A320's are nearly as slow as their Q300's.
Having flown both, I doubt that very much!
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 10:49
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Originally Posted by MikeHatter732 View Post
They removed the ability to have reduced time on type with good checking history etc etc (i.e >2000 total, 700 on type)

It's now either 1000/1500 hours depending on your entry method. When people are averaging ~30 stick a month (and they are still hiring FO's, albeit ones straight from Uni ), it takes a while to get the time on type!

No ifs, no buts.

MikeHatter Iím still struggling to see how the Command requirements were increased. Previously the min requirements was 3000hours total and 1500hours on company aircraft. This was the normal intended requirements. There was a provision at the discretion of the CP to reduce those minimums to 700 and 2000 based on previous experience but this was not intended to be the normal requirements. It was at the discretion of the company. However a trend was starting to form where flight crew seemed to forget about the actual requirements and only focused on the reduced hours which wasnít its intent. So the Command policy was adjust to firm minimums. These minimums are actually less than the previous minimums and as low as 700 hours on company aircraft and 12 months with the company for previous multi crew experience.
For Direct Entry FO itís 1000 hours and 18 months with the company and Cadets its 1500 hrs and 24 months. All of these are far less that the previous requirements of 1500 hours on company aircraft and 3000 hours total time.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 13:02
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However a trend was starting to form where flight crew seemed to forget about the actual requirements and only focused on the reduced hours
What difference did this 'focus' or 'perception' make on bottom line for the companies crewing? Candidates wouldn't have been upgraded if they didn't meet the standard anyway.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 02:02
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Not the case. The minimums were 3000 total and 1500 on company. However at CP discretion it could be reduced to 2000 total and 700 on company aircraft. You would of had to have previous dash time or a large amount of previous experience prior to joining Qlink to be considered for that discretion. However the 3000/1500 seemed to be forgotten and everyone was expecting commands as soon as they reached the 700/1500 and kicking up a stink when the command was rejected as they had little to no other previous experience. The the new Command policy was introduced to have no grey areas and recognise previous experience compared to fresh cadets by having 3 lots of minimums all depending on your experience prior to joining to the group.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 02:35
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How did they kick up a stink?
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 04:17
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Are you kidding me? Thatís what experience theyíve classifying as adequate to get a command on a Q400?

Settle down kids, youíve barely made it out of flight school with those hours!

The age of entitlement is definitely underway.....
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 04:21
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The consultation can include a number of things such as notification of final payout details and how people can be expected to be absorbed into the greater group.

Details not included in the EA, can negotiated and agreed.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 04:57
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‘Negotiated and agreed’ ......I’m not involved but would I be right in saying there would be a serious power imbalance favouring one party during that negotiation?
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 05:21
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I recollect that these Dash8 Q300 aircraft were surplus to Eastern & Sunstate requirements and were stored at Tamworth awaiting sale. The recently Uni graduated management experts sipping Latte’s in The Street found that there was no market for these aircraft so they searched for ways to utilise them as it looks bad to have non-revenue aircraft on the books (& not good for KPI’s/bonuses) so the concept of Propstar was born. The failure of this QF Group baby airline will be attributed to the high cost of those pesky pilots and not to the fact that it was poorly thought out by the brains trust.

It will be interesting if they are now able to dispose of these unwanted/unloved aircraft.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 05:31
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Originally Posted by 73qanda View Post
ĎNegotiated and agreedí ......Iím not involved but would I be right in saying there would be a serious power imbalance favouring one party during that negotiation?
Yes a very large imbalance, but even non financial items wording can make a massive difference that would not effect the employer.

This is form Victoria and no idea about NZ system.

Redundancy Payments | Retrenchment Entitlements | Termination Pay
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 07:23
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I’d doubt this has anything to do with Jetstar not making money on the regional flights and more to do with some underhanded deal done back when AirNZ and Qantas agreed to code sharing on domestic flights.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 08:33
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Has there been any clear word on what the troops are/will be offered in regards options now? Redundancy? Absorbed?

I really feel for the ex Air Nelson NPE crew that left and saw this as a chance to stay home, now their lives are all back up in the air
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 10:23
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They could go see the folks at Skyline..I hear thereís a job or 2 available. Especially if you have training experience
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 22:16
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Originally Posted by spektrum View Post
You mean they'll be offered the chance to do a plethora of aptitude and sim tests, attend a few interviews at their own cost only to be offered a spot on a hold file for 12 months? Thats how the Qantas group treats people my friend.
Yup!

And the group continues to advertise for external applicants?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 03:18
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 View Post


Yup!

And the group continues to advertise for external applicants?
Any hope for those external applicants now waiting in excess of 18months on the HF for a training date?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 09:06
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J*

SCEVA, have you really been on the HF for over 18 months?
when did you interview?
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 09:26
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You mean they'll be offered the chance to do a plethora of aptitude and sim tests, attend a few interviews at their own cost only to be offered a spot on a hold file for 12 months? Thats how the Qantas group treats people my friend.
A portend for how the employees are treated.
IR/HR at its Machiavellian best.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 09:44
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SCEVA, have you really been on the HF for over 18 months?
when did you interview?
Back when I had all my hair

Early 2018

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