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Jetstar Pulling out of regional NZ

Old 26th Sep 2019, 00:33
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Originally Posted by Sparrows. View Post


3 of them are due for heavy maintenance, so most likely staying in AKL for that. So at best 2 back to QLink in the short term.
So what will happen then is they will be transferred to the Qantaslink AOC (whichever one) and then the maintenance will be done.
Canít have Jetstar paying for maintenance.
What an AMAZING business.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 00:37
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So what will happen then is they will be transferred to the Qantaslink AOC (whichever one) and then the maintenance will be done.
Canít have Jetstar paying for maintenance.
What an AMAZING business.
I could be wrong, but Iím 99% sure they have been on the QLink AOC, the ENTIRE time. Just painted silver with an orange star on the tail.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 02:18
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Heavy maint is already underway with VHTQD in NZ Regional Maint Hanger in NSN since 16th Sept
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 03:04
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announcing a proposal to end our services on our New Zealand regional routes
We will announce a final decision on the proposal at the end of the required consultation process
All from Garett Evans.

Iím wondering what the consultation process is...... Has a decision been made or not?!? It sounded like it was, but wouldnít they just say weíre pulling out of NZ regional??
I personally see this as a JQ created opening for the government or local regions to throw money at it. Itís been done several times before in JQ aus, Avalon particularly comes to mind and Darwin with the initial startup. Government or council throw in money and it continues, when the money runs out or is no longer offered, they pull out.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 03:29
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They might be waiting until the grants from the authorities end. Its not a matter of just walking away like one striped tail loco did in Adelaide once. They had to pay back millions in grants.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:38
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Originally Posted by Gear in transit View Post
I personally see this as a JQ created opening for the government or local regions to throw money at it. It’s been done several times before in JQ aus, Avalon particularly comes to mind and Darwin with the initial startup. Government or council throw in money and it continues, when the money runs out or is no longer offered, they pull out.
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They might be waiting until the grants from the authorities end. Its not a matter of just walking away like one striped tail loco did in Adelaide once. They had to pay back millions in grants.
I must admit the way the announcement was reported made it sound the decision to pull out wasn't final.

However I very much doubt there'll be any local government money for Jetstar either now or in the future. Every destination is also served by Air NZ, therefore any assistance offered to Jetstar would also have to be offered to Air NZ. You can bet if there was any hint of assistance being given to Jetstar but not Air NZ we would have heard about it by now.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:12
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Bloody hard to make a buck on those regional NZ routes - no matter who you are.
Back in my Air NZ days day, the legendary Roger Poulton used to give a preso.
He'd show a regional turbo prop in silhouette, and shade off various bits of the fuse to show the costs.
And the profit?
"It's right at the back of the plane... in the toilet!"
Oh and BTW - they're not gouging on the regional routes - they're absolutely frikking mint coining it on WLG-AKL.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 13:09
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Originally Posted by Gear in transit View Post




All from Garett Evans.

Iím wondering what the consultation process is...... Has a decision been made or not?!? It sounded like it was, but wouldnít they just say weíre pulling out of NZ regional??
I personally see this as a JQ created opening for the government or local regions to throw money at it. Itís been done several times before in JQ aus, Avalon particularly comes to mind and Darwin with the initial startup. Government or council throw in money and it continues, when the money runs out or is no longer offered, they pull out.
Nothing but green mail and carpet baggers.

Jetstar has done it before.

Premier Daniel Andrews, the FA Cup of Australian politics, coughed up..

https://www.smh.com.au/business/vict...27-1mu0s3.html





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Old 26th Sep 2019, 13:53
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Sounds like the Qantas group status quo.... weíre going broke paying for AJ, so we had better get the taxpayer to subsidise it.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 21:22
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Not going to happen. There is no way there'll be any subsidy from any form of government. Not while there is someone else still providing a service, which is the case for all the routes in question. Can't subsidise one operator and not the other.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 23:25
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The employment contracts of the staff will likely have a ‘consultation’ clause as in other Qantas Group EA’s. This requires the company to consult with staff prior to major changes taking place that will effect their employment. It’s not worth much as the decision has been made and they won’t change their mind but I expect that to comply with these contracts they now need to pretend the final decision is still to be made.
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 01:24
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron View Post
The employment contracts of the staff will likely have a Ďconsultationí clause as in other Qantas Group EAís. This requires the company to consult with staff prior to major changes taking place that will effect their employment. Itís not worth much as the decision has been made and they wonít change their mind but I expect that to comply with these contracts they now need to pretend the final decision is still to be made.
Legit question, whatís the purpose of the consultation clause then?
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 01:50
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Legit question, whatís the purpose of the consultation clause then?
Good question, having read through the consultation clauses in the QF SH and LH EAís it is hard to see what the benefit is. Perhaps itís a Fair Work requirement, I donít know. (Yes, I know NZ is a different jurisdiction).
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 01:55
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[QUOTE=MikeHatter732;10579634]They are short with captains at the moment (2 vacant spots at Sydney), but they shot themselves in the foot when they upped the command requirements recently.


MikeHatter how did they up the command requirements recently? I was under the impression they were reduced.
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 04:42
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Qantas tried competing on NZ domestic routes about 15 years ago. The resistance from parochial Kiwis to the big bad nasty Aussies was huge. It failed. Kiwis don’t really want competition. Plus its a market of less than 5 million people. Best just to leave the Kiwis to it.
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 05:26
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And Ansett before Qantas as Ansett New Zealand after taking over Newmans Air.
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 07:07
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Originally Posted by George Glass View Post
Qantas tried competing on NZ domestic routes about 15 years ago. The resistance from parochial Kiwis to the big bad nasty Aussies was huge. It failed. Kiwis don’t really want competition. Plus its a market of less than 5 million people. Best just to leave the Kiwis to it.
Certainly not as bad as when Air New Zealand wanted to operate in Australia under the open skies agreement many years ago but was blocked due to lobbying from Qantas. Talk about resistance from the Aussies. Better just left to the Aussies.
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 07:40
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Originally Posted by B772 View Post
And Ansett before Qantas as Ansett New Zealand after taking over Newmans Air.
The remnants of which, with some juicy impairments became Jetconnect.
The airline with no fleet!

Of course the decision to send the aircraft back to Australia absolutely nothing to do with the exhausted taxation arbitrage shell game...
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Silverado View Post
Nothing more than IR speak. Read, we can't officially make a decision until after we meet our obligation to "consult" with the affected employee groups. After which, we will come to the decision which we have already made.
These kind of clauses make more sense for smaller changes to how a company operates, where it is genuinely possible and a good idea to consult affected employees.

They don't really work for decisions like this. A decision to cease operations and shut up shop isn't really one that a company can shop around with all of their staff, without massively spooking their customers and investors - which would probably make the outcome into a foregone conclusion anyway. Who would book flights on an airline, when it is asking its employees whether it should cease operations?

But, if there is no exception to the clause, then 'consultation' legally has to happen.
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 13:23
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Originally Posted by Dempster View Post
MikeHatter how did they up the command requirements recently? I was under the impression they were reduced.
They removed the ability to have reduced time on type with good checking history etc etc (i.e >2000 total, 700 on type)

It's now either 1000/1500 hours depending on your entry method. When people are averaging ~30 stick a month (and they are still hiring FO's, albeit ones straight from Uni ), it takes a while to get the time on type!

No ifs, no buts.
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