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Qantas Eyes new Tokyo Haneda flights.

Old 16th Sep 2019, 09:44
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Qantas Eyes new Tokyo Haneda flights.

Will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Anybody got the inside word on which aircraft theyíll use for these slots.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....eda-slots/amp/

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Old 17th Sep 2019, 00:47
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Too late for the rugby world cup, but in good time for the Olympics. 2 slots to Japanese carriers and 2 to Aus carriers.
Haneda is my preferred airport there.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 01:12
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Well going off tradition it wonít be Adelaide or Perth.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 01:52
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But what will virgin do with their slot?
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 01:54
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Looks like 2nd daily service for Sydney and Melbourne to switch from Narita.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/q...uAgv9umRgtsMFh
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So the question is can the 787 fly 24 hours a day because they are in my opinion running out of airframes. They are still clutching at straws IMO hoping that the 380 will go there late next year, I think more likely 2 x 787s a day.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 06:17
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Qantas won’t like that, they will have already banked on getting both.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 06:32
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... which should be seen as anti-competitive. Virgin should get the one that they request.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 06:48
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Competition is one thing but...

These slots have been “given” to International airlines (not domestic) by the Japanese government in an effort to boost tourism. They couldn’t give a rats about fair competition for Aussie airlines.

An interesting decision for the commission nevertheless and if Virgin are successful, QF could probably rightly feel a little aggrieved at the unfairness of such coveted slots being gifted to a new entrant.










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Old 17th Sep 2019, 07:32
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I can’t stop laughing , management would have been rubbing there hands in glee over this. Move the Melbourne service to Haneda and then two daily 787 services to replace the 747. All sweet and then along comes pesky Virgin to pull the carpet from under their feet. Great stuff.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 07:37
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I think QF management knew of Virgins intentions. Gareth Evans mentioned at the Jetstar Live event that they knew of virgins interest in the Japanese market.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 07:47
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‘Gifted’ ? As I understand it simply being the incumbent Australian operator doesn’t entitle Qantas to all and any future slots to any destination. What ‘deal’ regarding Narita Ops to obtain Haneda slots do you speak of? Of course Japan doesn’t care about Competition between Aus Airlines, that’s why we have the IASC. From the IASC website it looks as though they seek as many applications for the slots as possible as part of their charter is to encourage competition. AFAIK technically there is an Open skies agreement between Japan and Australia, the constraint being airport slots.
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It took 5 years for QF (Australia) to be offered a Haneda slot.

5 years after that the next slots (these ones) have been offered.

They are rare (and prized) is what Iím really getting at.

If virgin can snag one then good on them. QF might feel a bit grumpy donít you think?
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 08:21
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The SkyGods have a LOT of clout, they generally get what they want!:-)
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Because expanding operations is a really great idea for Virgin at the moment.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 09:10
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If Qantas gets both slots Aus-Japan capacity remains about the same. One 747 out, 2 twins in, Mel service moves from NRT. If VA gets one the capacity increases. More tourism both ways.

In a market with an additional slot each for ANA and JAL, Virgin could only thrive in a tie up with a Japanese airline. JAL is deeply in bed with Qantas, so that leaves ANA...
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 09:23
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Qantas surrendered the right to be considered a flag carrier a long time ago.

Qantas were gifted the bilateral slots, something that they held at privatisation.
Qantas also decided that in 2011, "subsidiaries" ought have access to them as well, applying to the International Air Services Commission to amend the rights to reflect their preference.

A privatised airline is just that. Flag of convenience is another thing and the Qantas share register show a whole lot of foreigners too, ..

Given Little Napoleon is up in arms about airport monopoly pricing, he will enthusiastically offer one to Virgin, all in the interests of competition.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 11:50
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Honestly Rated De, he's probably very happy to give Virgin more rope to hang themselves with.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 12:21
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Virgin probably has been looking at the healthy profits being generated by the incumbent carriers operating between Japan & Oz and wanting to share in the spoils.

Might I suggest that Virgin do some historical research into how the profits evaporated when Ansett started operating the route a number of years ago. Can Virgin afford to carry the heavy start up costs without any profits to compensate?
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Good one Virgin, nice wind-up. Iím sure you can deploy your extensive wide body fleet wherever you want at a momentís notice. Quick, HKG isnít working, letís fly to HND! Or maybe weíll try JNB or AUH again instead?
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