Mt Cook and Air Nelson contract
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Ha! Classic f**k you I've got mine mentality. Yea just go ahead and join a multitude of other regional carriers flying around New Zealand.
This classic stitch up has been seen many times around the world and the geniuses down under discovered they can kill the unborn for their own gain.
This classic stitch up has been seen many times around the world and the geniuses down under discovered they can kill the unborn for their own gain.
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For a Q driver that is directly affected, I am all in really for this contract. Yes i wish the pay divide was addressed as im still earn $12k less than an FO at the same level flying the ATR and skippers are still earning a lot less. The blended scale that will be adopted has its issues but it is what it is, new emoyees dont have to sign it if they dont want the job.
I just hope you realize that you are punishing yourselves just as much as the new hires with the blended/ B scale pay when you get directed into an ATR (maybe even with a forced base move) flying the exact same aircraft, routes and TODs as current Cook pilots but for significantly less money until the company has gotten rid of 16-18 Qs. Food for thought
Sometimes it’s better to take a deep breath and reflect on what is/has been going on rather than shoot from the hip
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I'm sorry but the same could also be said when you were given the Air Nelson contract, no one forced you to sign along the dotted line.
I just hope you realize that you are punishing yourselves just as much as the new hires with the blended/ B scale pay when you get directed into an ATR (maybe even with a forced base move) flying the exact same aircraft, routes and TODs as current Cook pilots but for significantly less money until the company has gotten rid of 16-18 Qs. Food for thought
I just hope you realize that you are punishing yourselves just as much as the new hires with the blended/ B scale pay when you get directed into an ATR (maybe even with a forced base move) flying the exact same aircraft, routes and TODs as current Cook pilots but for significantly less money until the company has gotten rid of 16-18 Qs. Food for thought
I'm sorry but the same could also be said when you were given the Air Nelson contract, no one forced you to sign along the dotted line.
I just hope you realize that you are punishing yourselves just as much as the new hires with the blended/ B scale pay when you get directed into an ATR (maybe even with a forced base move) flying the exact same aircraft, routes and TODs as current Cook pilots but for significantly less money until the company has gotten rid of 16-18 Qs. Food for thought
I just hope you realize that you are punishing yourselves just as much as the new hires with the blended/ B scale pay when you get directed into an ATR (maybe even with a forced base move) flying the exact same aircraft, routes and TODs as current Cook pilots but for significantly less money until the company has gotten rid of 16-18 Qs. Food for thought
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Chill out
I’ve never heard such rubbish, why are you making it sound so doom and gloom if this doesn’t get over the line. All that happens is they go back to the drawing board and divvy the money up more fairly then it goes back out to the vote. Keep in mind Air Nz is still making huge profits. I don’t think you understand negotiations if you think the first offer is the best one, look at our engineers as an example.
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I’ve never heard such rubbish, why are you making it sound so doom and gloom if this doesn’t get over the line. All that happens is they go back to the drawing board and divvy the money up more fairly then it goes back out to the vote. Keep in mind Air Nz is still making huge profits. I don’t think you understand negotiations if you think the first offer is the best one, look at our engineers as an example.
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Isn’t ALPA trying to look after the Links by Career pathways, joining of the seniority lists, Links getting directly into the Jets without interviews etc?
Sometimes it’s better to take a deep breath and reflect on what is/has been going on rather than shoot from the hip
Link pilots - know your place.
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Can't really blame them for having a scope clause given the history of Freedom, BAe146 at Mount Cook and Zeal320. Makes a lot of sense. Just hope everyone can see the bigger picture and the long term.
Just look over the ditch to our neighbors at QF... Cobham, Network, Express Freighters, Jetstar, JetConnect, did I miss anyone??
For link Pilots to moan about that scope clause is incredibly short sighted... or perhaps incredibly selfish coming from those whose career progression stopped in the regionals?
Do we really want to be a “Group Airline” climbing all over each in a bid race to the bottom for new types/routes?
Tag&Release and the GOP list is ALPA (and the company) looking out for regional pilots at the expense of every other Pilot joining Air NZ. If it goes ahead, a 19 year old Cadet will forever have seniority on (for example) the ex Cathay Captain joining us. Sure the Cathay Pilot might start on the A320, but they’ll have 600 regional Pilots & 400 Jet Pilots ahead of them for promotion. They’ll be an F20 until retirement so why would they join?
For link Pilots to moan about that scope clause is incredibly short sighted... or perhaps incredibly selfish coming from those whose career progression stopped in the regionals?
Do we really want to be a “Group Airline” climbing all over each in a bid race to the bottom for new types/routes?
Tag&Release and the GOP list is ALPA (and the company) looking out for regional pilots at the expense of every other Pilot joining Air NZ. If it goes ahead, a 19 year old Cadet will forever have seniority on (for example) the ex Cathay Captain joining us. Sure the Cathay Pilot might start on the A320, but they’ll have 600 regional Pilots & 400 Jet Pilots ahead of them for promotion. They’ll be an F20 until retirement so why would they join?
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The GOP is dead
The GOP is dead, it will never get ratified. Let’s just leave it at that. The current set up is the best we are going to get. Guess what happens when Air NZ jet starts hiring in 2 years? The links won’t release any pilots because of manpower and externals will be hired, the new 80/20 ratio will take care of your number. If we have to reinterview for the role then so be it. If you want to fly a jet so badly then don’t stay at the links, man up and leave and you’ll end up starting at Air NZ before all of us if that’s what you want.
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Just look over the ditch to our neighbors at QF... Cobham, Network, Express Freighters, Jetstar, JetConnect, did I miss anyone??
For link Pilots to moan about that scope clause is incredibly short sighted... or perhaps incredibly selfish coming from those whose career progression stopped in the regionals?
Do we really want to be a “Group Airline” climbing all over each in a bid race to the bottom for new types/routes?
Tag&Release and the GOP list is ALPA (and the company) looking out for regional pilots at the expense of every other Pilot joining Air NZ. If it goes ahead, a 19 year old Cadet will forever have seniority on (for example) the ex Cathay Captain joining us. Sure the Cathay Pilot might start on the A320, but they’ll have 600 regional Pilots & 400 Jet Pilots ahead of them for promotion. They’ll be an F20 until retirement so why would they join?
For link Pilots to moan about that scope clause is incredibly short sighted... or perhaps incredibly selfish coming from those whose career progression stopped in the regionals?
Do we really want to be a “Group Airline” climbing all over each in a bid race to the bottom for new types/routes?
Tag&Release and the GOP list is ALPA (and the company) looking out for regional pilots at the expense of every other Pilot joining Air NZ. If it goes ahead, a 19 year old Cadet will forever have seniority on (for example) the ex Cathay Captain joining us. Sure the Cathay Pilot might start on the A320, but they’ll have 600 regional Pilots & 400 Jet Pilots ahead of them for promotion. They’ll be an F20 until retirement so why would they join?
Do do we want to be a Group Airline? Well the company’s already decided that’s happening. Which is why Cook and Nelson support staff are currently being made redundant.
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The clause is to tighten up our contract so that no said, ‘loyal’ pilots can try and jump positions, it’s only for our piece of mind, as discussed before, the discussion in link flightdecks in the early stages of pathways about PG’s and original DOJ spooked us. (They only have themselves to blame).
Unfortunately some of these people who were wanting to hold out till their “Bus command came up” (apparently the FO role was beneath them), are now having a bit of trouble getting through the training and it looks like we might be heading back to more in-depth screening which we had previously. (I wish no ill will on any one btw) but If you’re looking for superiority complexes, you are looking in the wrong place...
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Just look over the ditch to our neighbors at QF... Cobham, Network, Express Freighters, Jetstar, JetConnect, did I miss anyone??
For link Pilots to moan about that scope clause is incredibly short sighted... or perhaps incredibly selfish coming from those whose career progression stopped in the regionals?
Do we really want to be a “Group Airline” climbing all over each in a bid race to the bottom for new types/routes?
Tag&Release and the GOP list is ALPA (and the company) looking out for regional pilots at the expense of every other Pilot joining Air NZ. If it goes ahead, a 19 year old Cadet will forever have seniority on (for example) the ex Cathay Captain joining us. Sure the Cathay Pilot might start on the A320, but they’ll have 600 regional Pilots & 400 Jet Pilots ahead of them for promotion. They’ll be an F20 until retirement so why would they join?
For link Pilots to moan about that scope clause is incredibly short sighted... or perhaps incredibly selfish coming from those whose career progression stopped in the regionals?
Do we really want to be a “Group Airline” climbing all over each in a bid race to the bottom for new types/routes?
Tag&Release and the GOP list is ALPA (and the company) looking out for regional pilots at the expense of every other Pilot joining Air NZ. If it goes ahead, a 19 year old Cadet will forever have seniority on (for example) the ex Cathay Captain joining us. Sure the Cathay Pilot might start on the A320, but they’ll have 600 regional Pilots & 400 Jet Pilots ahead of them for promotion. They’ll be an F20 until retirement so why would they join?
On the flip side I don't really feel any sympathy for current jet pilots that left NZ to chase the big money overseas that was a decision they made knowing full well that the door back home might shut. While guys who have been working within the links for 5+ years are being severely disadvantaged and big brother is actively excluding people contributing to the companies success and rewarding deserters. Well yes it is a smart business move (only in the short term) but it's extremely disheartening for current employees and leading to continual high turn over rates which is creating a bottleneck where pilots can't be released because of shortages and actually causing the company to sink big money into continuously training pilots to refill roles.
We all know the GOP will never happen and these recent link fossil's that walked in without an interview have ruined it for everyone else behind them by underperforming and failing or needing extra training. The interview should have been left in place that way only people who seriously wanted to join the jets would have applied and not created such a massive back long, now current link pilots are staring down the barrel of 10+ years in regional before transferring across.
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