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V-Jet. Your 30% pay cut has been BUSTED by the Trump fact checker. Take your lies elsewhere.
You think the package was bad? The pay at the external company would have been a jaw dropper! And better yet, those T&C used against you in future EBA negotiations.
Learn when to call it quits mate. Your argument is far more destructive then whats been achieved with the YES vote.
You think the package was bad? The pay at the external company would have been a jaw dropper! And better yet, those T&C used against you in future EBA negotiations.
Learn when to call it quits mate. Your argument is far more destructive then whats been achieved with the YES vote.
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Well it seems QF have taken the biggest punt in the game right now.
There are no plans to fly any four engine aircraft. The last 380 reconfiguration is being completed as they were already contractually obligated to do so. A deal has been made with airbus for an early delivery on 10 X 350s due to other carriers pulling the plug. Fasten your seatbelts. Post-COVID will see one hell of a RIN and extremely likely job losses.
There are no plans to fly any four engine aircraft. The last 380 reconfiguration is being completed as they were already contractually obligated to do so. A deal has been made with airbus for an early delivery on 10 X 350s due to other carriers pulling the plug. Fasten your seatbelts. Post-COVID will see one hell of a RIN and extremely likely job losses.
Sounds a pretty good plan to me!
This might preserve some of the jobs COVID is destined to destroy. One hell of a RIN was already assured before your rumour.
This might preserve some of the jobs COVID is destined to destroy. One hell of a RIN was already assured before your rumour.
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Well it seems QF have taken the biggest punt in the game right now.
There are no plans to fly any four engine aircraft. The last 380 reconfiguration is being completed as they were already contractually obligated to do so. A deal has been made with airbus for an early delivery on 10 X 350s due to other carriers pulling the plug. Fasten your seatbelts. Post-COVID will see one hell of a RIN and extremely likely job losses.
There are no plans to fly any four engine aircraft. The last 380 reconfiguration is being completed as they were already contractually obligated to do so. A deal has been made with airbus for an early delivery on 10 X 350s due to other carriers pulling the plug. Fasten your seatbelts. Post-COVID will see one hell of a RIN and extremely likely job losses.
https://www.flightglobal.com/air-tra...137820.article and his crystal ball 🤣
I think those affected by this (if it's true) will just be held on indefinite stand down until there are positions available, rather than costly redundancies occurring. The 4 engined fleets are the most senior meaning retraining then redundancy would be cost prohibitive.
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If you think QF will RIN a 380 captain to 787/330, only to RIN a 787/330 captain to FO, only to RIN a 787/330 FO to SO, only to make a 787/330 SO redundant in the current climate, you will be severely mistaken. It doesn't make sense, it's a waste of cash, and HR have told us there is no legal time line on the stand down notice. They could stand you down for 10 years, and there is noting you can do about it.
What dr_dre has said is exactly what will happen. Long periods of stand down, no redundancy payments, and lots of pilots taking LWOP, taking an alternative career, or pulling the pin and retiring early.
What a year 2020 will be.
What dr_dre has said is exactly what will happen. Long periods of stand down, no redundancy payments, and lots of pilots taking LWOP, taking an alternative career, or pulling the pin and retiring early.
What a year 2020 will be.
And of course HRs word is gospel isn’t it.
All I would add is in my interpretation:
there won’t be an indefinite stand down for a fleet. This is because the stand down (as opposed to other methods of managing a surplus) applies while the aircraft don’t fly. So For example, if the A380 never flew again the stand down could only apply for as long as the a380s were still parked and operational in QF colours. As soon as they were sold or discarded a RIN must occur and the stand down ends. I doubt QF would keep an aircraft just to avoid redundancy payouts.
It explains the lack of announcements regarding the 747, when everyone knows it has almost no chance of further operations. At the very least the waters are very muddy on this issue.
there won’t be an indefinite stand down for a fleet. This is because the stand down (as opposed to other methods of managing a surplus) applies while the aircraft don’t fly. So For example, if the A380 never flew again the stand down could only apply for as long as the a380s were still parked and operational in QF colours. As soon as they were sold or discarded a RIN must occur and the stand down ends. I doubt QF would keep an aircraft just to avoid redundancy payouts.
It explains the lack of announcements regarding the 747, when everyone knows it has almost no chance of further operations. At the very least the waters are very muddy on this issue.
All I would add is in my interpretation:
there won’t be an indefinite stand down for a fleet. This is because the stand down (as opposed to other methods of managing a surplus) applies while the aircraft don’t fly. So For example, if the A380 never flew again the stand down could only apply for as long as the a380s were still parked and operational in QF colours. As soon as they were sold or discarded a RIN must occur and the stand down ends. I doubt QF would keep an aircraft just to avoid redundancy payouts.
It explains the lack of announcements regarding the 747, when everyone knows it has almost no chance of further operations. At the very least the waters are very muddy on this issue.
there won’t be an indefinite stand down for a fleet. This is because the stand down (as opposed to other methods of managing a surplus) applies while the aircraft don’t fly. So For example, if the A380 never flew again the stand down could only apply for as long as the a380s were still parked and operational in QF colours. As soon as they were sold or discarded a RIN must occur and the stand down ends. I doubt QF would keep an aircraft just to avoid redundancy payouts.
It explains the lack of announcements regarding the 747, when everyone knows it has almost no chance of further operations. At the very least the waters are very muddy on this issue.
Another possibility is a court case to enable the airline to make redundancy where they fall. That would be probably cheaper than pushing a 60 year old Captain onto a 787, retraining him only to have him retire or be forced on again to the 737 come 65.
It is a mess no two ways about it. If the 747s still had a buyer and they depart then IMO you can’t avoid a RIN on that aircraft.Then there is also VR , a minimum of 26 weeks or if that doesn’t work CR but I believe that can’t be targeted.
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Don’t worry jocks.... we’ve got the LHers take over on AIPA......
soon we will see the implimentation of their CUNning plan
probaby a 6 % increase in a380 pay in de werks
maKe AIPA Grate agin
soon we will see the implimentation of their CUNning plan
probaby a 6 % increase in a380 pay in de werks
maKe AIPA Grate agin
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All I would add is in my interpretation:
there won’t be an indefinite stand down for a fleet. This is because the stand down (as opposed to other methods of managing a surplus) applies while the aircraft don’t fly. So For example, if the A380 never flew again the stand down could only apply for as long as the a380s were still parked and operational in QF colours. As soon as they were sold or discarded a RIN must occur and the stand down ends. I doubt QF would keep an aircraft just to avoid redundancy payouts.
It explains the lack of announcements regarding the 747, when everyone knows it has almost no chance of further operations. At the very least the waters are very muddy on this issue.
there won’t be an indefinite stand down for a fleet. This is because the stand down (as opposed to other methods of managing a surplus) applies while the aircraft don’t fly. So For example, if the A380 never flew again the stand down could only apply for as long as the a380s were still parked and operational in QF colours. As soon as they were sold or discarded a RIN must occur and the stand down ends. I doubt QF would keep an aircraft just to avoid redundancy payouts.
It explains the lack of announcements regarding the 747, when everyone knows it has almost no chance of further operations. At the very least the waters are very muddy on this issue.
The chief pilots exact words: "at an appropriate time we will follow the RIN process".
It's much better than yours, that's for sure. Whats even better is that it actually makes sense because it saves them cash, and they have the legislation to back it.
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and his crystal ball 🤣[/QUOTE]
Starting to think my crystal ball is unserviceable, otherwise I would have given up the good life and bid for a slot on the game changer when I had the chance.
There will be a RIN in some capacity but I can assure you TLS will do all he can to open the EA and chop and change us all as they see fit $$$. As the saying goes, QF will never waste a good a good crisis and this is a window for them to do so. Do not assume your seniority number will be your saving grace if you’re currently on the 380 or 747.
Starting to think my crystal ball is unserviceable, otherwise I would have given up the good life and bid for a slot on the game changer when I had the chance.
There will be a RIN in some capacity but I can assure you TLS will do all he can to open the EA and chop and change us all as they see fit $$$. As the saying goes, QF will never waste a good a good crisis and this is a window for them to do so. Do not assume your seniority number will be your saving grace if you’re currently on the 380 or 747.
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The RIN on the 747 will happen and positions will be on fleets that can carry a surplus and that surplus will continue on probably agreed lower divisors until the extra 787s arrive and the 350s alleviate the surplus on the 330. No knock on demotions, no redundancies and lots of retirements over the next few years is the word Ive got. Gotta remember QF haven't got a very big fleet of aircraft, the RIN on the 747 is for a total of 5 aircraft. At least 6 of the 380s will make a return initially so again revised lower divisors, and retirements will mange that aircraft until demand picks up. Might see the old divisor of something like 132 being reintroduced as a temporary measure. 737 can also carry a surplus with divisors being cut to 55 hours as a further option as it will be the first fleet to experience any form of normality until restrictions of international travel are lifted. These scenarios save money in the long run and keep good operational staff occupied instead of chasing other options and are there ready to go when it all picks up.
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The sky isn't falling in.
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Yep. Can’t train to the 737 unless the average divisor is above something (68hours?) It won’t be there for some time. Also, the 737 can’t be involved in a RIN. So it won’t be a place for a surplus for anybody,
Hypothetical: the company has the A380 grounded for over 12 months, but (assuming this rumour is true) puts the A350 into service in the meantime. How many A380 crew would, if offered and within seniority rules, move to the A350 outside a RIN, just to get back to work and get a pay check?