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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rk-London.html
From the news article:-
I thought they were going to be using Scarebus A350’s.
From the news article:-
I thought they were going to be using Scarebus A350’s.
As for the letter from “pilot X”, I happen know a few thousand would be CEOs with a wealth of airline experience who would do his job for a measly $10mill.
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce upped the stakes in his negotiation with staff over the upcoming London to Sydney route, telling reporters there was “no shortage of pilots” ready to take on the assignment.
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said more than 800,000 new pilots would be needed around the world during the next 20 years, one-third of them in the Asia-Pacific.
The original order was for 115 and was the largest single order for any airline. 100 for Qantas and 15 for JQ. A mix of 787-8s for JQ and QF and 787-9 for QF only. Were supposed to replace the A330-200, A330-300 and B767-200/B767-300.
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Yes, but the clincher is that not one single current QF pilot's hours can drop below where they are right now. So then you think, well maybe he'll Jetconnect the thing and base it overseas? Have fun convincing this new country that they should allow 23.5hr duties straight off the bat when you don't have any government influence like they do here.
Jetconnect isn’t based overseas as far as CASA are concerned. Jetconnect is QF...using the Qantas AOC. Same Chief Pilot, same training dept, sims etc etc. Jetconnect is mainline as far as the operation goes. The pilots all hold CASA licences. Exactly the same as the Jetstar NZ operation. From a regulatory point of view CASA don’t care whether it’s NZD or AUD that are paid to the pilots.
And if you’re going down the path of transfer of business case that’s already been tested.
As above, there is no need for Qantas to get a foreign CAA to go for the extended FTL’s, both Jetconnect and Jetstar NZ are simply crewing companies that supply crew to the Qantas and Jetstar operations. If they were to do this with Project Sunrise they could just put a crew base in Auckland on what ever terms and conditions they see fit and pax crew to Sydney or Melbourne as required. Having said that it has been tried before, think Red Q, Jetstar Hong Kong and the 330 Jetstar hub in Singapore, all were unmitigated disasters. Also I remember when BA set up an off shoot called Open Skies based in Paris to fly the Atlantic on ex Ba Aircraft but crewed on lesser terms and conditions, it was a disaster. The cost involved in setting it up would likely make it loss making, the only upside for Alan is that it creates yet another pilot group to play off against the rest. Personally I think anyone openly touting for work that undermines another pilot group is dubious at best however you can’t blame people who need work accepting potential jobs hat may be on offer. It could work out well for Qantas, get rid of all the Jetstar 787’s, make a proportion of that crew redundant before offering them he choice of flying for this new entity.
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The number one problem with a crewing company concept is the massive insecurity that the employees feel. Jetconnect pilots wake up every single morning wondering if they are going to have to start looking for a new job today. That level of continuous insecurity is massively corrosive on a personal level. They hate it, absolutely hate it with a passion. They leave as soon as they can get something more secure. A fixed term contract offers more security (except when a force majeure is declared, ie China at present, but they are by definition, relatively rare) as there is a known start and end point which allows for an orderly plan.
Never underestimate the psychic damage that the continuous corrosion of uncertainty creates. You would find pilots rapidly cycling in and out of such an operation, just as they do in Jetconnect. It will be a recency placeholder and cashflow generator between contracts.
Never underestimate the psychic damage that the continuous corrosion of uncertainty creates. You would find pilots rapidly cycling in and out of such an operation, just as they do in Jetconnect. It will be a recency placeholder and cashflow generator between contracts.
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Im not sure why this continues to be misunderstood.
Jetconnect isn’t based overseas as far as CASA are concerned. Jetconnect is QF...using the Qantas AOC. Same Chief Pilot, same training dept, sims etc etc. Jetconnect is mainline as far as the operation goes. The pilots all hold CASA licences. Exactly the same as the Jetstar NZ operation. From a regulatory point of view CASA don’t care whether it’s NZD or AUD that are paid to the pilots.
And if you’re going down the path of transfer of business case that’s already been tested.
Jetconnect isn’t based overseas as far as CASA are concerned. Jetconnect is QF...using the Qantas AOC. Same Chief Pilot, same training dept, sims etc etc. Jetconnect is mainline as far as the operation goes. The pilots all hold CASA licences. Exactly the same as the Jetstar NZ operation. From a regulatory point of view CASA don’t care whether it’s NZD or AUD that are paid to the pilots.
And if you’re going down the path of transfer of business case that’s already been tested.
I wonder if the court case outcome would be different now that JC are flying VH airframes directly under the QF AOC?
Wasn’t it a close decision last time?
Jetconnect isn’t based overseas as far as CASA are concerned. Jetconnect is QF...using the Qantas AOC. Same Chief Pilot, same training dept, sims etc etc. Jetconnect is mainline as far as the operation goes. The pilots all hold CASA licences. Exactly the same as the Jetstar NZ operation. From a regulatory point of view CASA don’t care whether it’s NZD or AUD that are paid to the pilots.
A field day will be had in Parliament over Australian Traffic Rights being used by an operation and employees that don't pay tax here and are not controlled by Australian Law. You might as well just let Air New Zealand apply for Australian Traffic Rights as well while you're at it.
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Since this is a rumour network I thought I’d pass on something I heard from a very reliable source...
Apparently the designing of the internal fitout for the Sunrise A350s has been contracted out to a New Zealand company with the work to be completed so that the first aircraft can be fitted out for a 2021 delivery.
Apparently the designing of the internal fitout for the Sunrise A350s has been contracted out to a New Zealand company with the work to be completed so that the first aircraft can be fitted out for a 2021 delivery.
And the word is that the first 12 to be delivered from late 2021 will be just the start of a major buy from Airbus.
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Sounding more and more like the old bait & switch, a replacement type with a "Sunrise" chaser twist to set the hares off in the wrong direction. Misdirection for the A330 replacement.
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neville_nobody. I think you will find Air New Zealand hold Australian Traffic Rights and at one time even operated SYD-LAX nonstop much to the annoyance of Singapore Airlines.
I think you will find Air New Zealand hold Australian Traffic Rights and at one time even operated SYD-LAX nonstop much to the annoyance of Singapore Airlines.
3rd/4th Freedom rights are what enable you to fly from A to B internationally, and my point would be that QF could be in the situation where they are using these rights bestowed on them by the Australian Government to then potentially crew the whole thing with people who don't abode or pay tax in Australia and some of whom would not even be citizens. There was a massive stink in the USA when Norwegian did this in that basically they were taking the mickey of the whole traffic rights arrangement however Norwegian did win a court case that kept them using these rights.
However it is the Australian Government that gives these rights and if you had a left of centre Australian Government get in, they may take a dim view of such arrangements
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He would be referring to you woodja51.....
Ahhhh, now it makes sense.
From the Qantas Recruitment thread.
Well done!
