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niche. Airbus is on board, and most analysts seem to agree it's a smart move.
Either way, that's three years down the track - how the vote goes isn't likely to affect whether ULH goes ahead or the A35Ks get repurposed. If Tino isn't bluffing, it'd just determine whether the A380 replacement is flown by Qantas pilots or JetConnect (or whomever).
Secret Angel - no offence intended but you need to grow a set and see the bogey man in the context of IR tactics.
Could they set up an entity to do the flying? Probably. But at what cost? With board approval?
Like any good non normal - sit on your hands, and for f$&ks sake - don’t panic.
Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. All IR tactics - and they play the game WAY better than we do.
Agree with Ngineer 100%...keep cool.
Could they set up an entity to do the flying? Probably. But at what cost? With board approval?
Like any good non normal - sit on your hands, and for f$&ks sake - don’t panic.
Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. All IR tactics - and they play the game WAY better than we do.
Agree with Ngineer 100%...keep cool.
Keep cool
Keep cool, give them nothing. They are worried and desperate, and want this all wrapped up by mid year so that he can celebrate and bask in his 100th year celebrations this November. He wouldn't want anything to tarnish this, and hence his reputation.
I would personally prefer to hold out till then, and throw one hell of a PIA party for him. That is the least you could all do to send him off. He just loves PIA. Could probably invite our Orange Star brothers to join in.
I would personally prefer to hold out till then, and throw one hell of a PIA party for him. That is the least you could all do to send him off. He just loves PIA. Could probably invite our Orange Star brothers to join in.
Read what fedsec says on a recent post & spend 5 minutes thinking about it before you agree to a deal which includes 1 captain effectively being in command for up to 23 hours,dont think a crew bunk makes him feel less fatigued or able to think more clearly when a life or death decision has to be made.
I would personally prefer to hold out till then, and throw one hell of a PIA party for him. That is the least you could all do to send him off. He just loves PIA. Could probably invite our Orange Star brothers to join in.
Most occupations don’t have a pay rise per year beyond CPI/3% just because you’ve been there additional years.
It’s fairly simple. Look at the pay rate offered and plan your finances on that. With what they’re proposing new hire pilots (academy grads, GA pilots working in the bush on half that pay) aren’t going to say no to that deal just because the pay rises top out after 4 years and they can’t make $250k as a 380 SO.
I’m undecided about the whole EBA itself but that aspect of it won’t be an issue in attracting new recruits.
It’s fairly simple. Look at the pay rate offered and plan your finances on that. With what they’re proposing new hire pilots (academy grads, GA pilots working in the bush on half that pay) aren’t going to say no to that deal just because the pay rises top out after 4 years and they can’t make $250k as a 380 SO.
I’m undecided about the whole EBA itself but that aspect of it won’t be an issue in attracting new recruits.
The Board will need a fully worked out business case for this crewing entity for an aircraft order to proceed. Should this option be taken.
The board won’t approve a significant investment on hearsay.
Where are the details?
Simple, basic and disappointing behaviour from people that earn millions on supposedly superior ability.
Like I said a cake raffle at a school fete is run better!
The board won’t approve a significant investment on hearsay.
Where are the details?
Simple, basic and disappointing behaviour from people that earn millions on supposedly superior ability.
Like I said a cake raffle at a school fete is run better!
Rinse and repeat for your career, and you will end up many multiples of % behind where you should be!
Keep cool, give them nothing. They are worried and desperate, and want this all wrapped up by mid year so that he can celebrate and bask in his 100th year celebrations this November. He wouldn't want anything to tarnish this, and hence his reputation.
I would personally prefer to hold out till then, and throw one hell of a PIA party for him. That is the least you could all do to send him off. He just loves PIA. Could probably invite our Orange Star brothers to join in.
I would personally prefer to hold out till then, and throw one hell of a PIA party for him. That is the least you could all do to send him off. He just loves PIA. Could probably invite our Orange Star brothers to join in.
and to think that he will bask in the glory of the 100 years while single handedly ensuring Qantas doesn’t see another 100, or even 10. What he started will intimately end the airline. Fu@k em!!
"The Board will need a fully worked out business case for this crewing entity for an aircraft order to proceed. Should this option be taken.
The board won’t approve a significant investment on hearsay."
Now that's what I call a real optimist...............
The board won’t approve a significant investment on hearsay."
Now that's what I call a real optimist...............
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Secret Angel - no offence intended but you need to grow a set and see the bogey man in the context of IR tactics.
Could they set up an entity to do the flying? Probably. But at what cost? With board approval?
Like any good non normal - sit on your hands, and for f$&ks sake - don’t panic.
Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. All IR tactics - and they play the game WAY better than we do.
Agree with Ngineer 100%...keep cool.
Could they set up an entity to do the flying? Probably. But at what cost? With board approval?
Like any good non normal - sit on your hands, and for f$&ks sake - don’t panic.
Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. All IR tactics - and they play the game WAY better than we do.
Agree with Ngineer 100%...keep cool.
I wasn't pursuaded by the last scare tactic from Joyce (no deal, no planes). This time around, I'm trying to weigh up, is whether AJ and Tino are serious about outsourcing if the votes don't go their way, and whether we have leverage to force them to back down. I think they're serious, and a lot of people seem to agree. If that's the case, then it comes down to our leverage. If they take the A350s out of the EA negotiations, would there be much to PIA over?
Other than that, are we counting on AIPA and us to organise a publicity campaign to shame them into keeping jobs mainline? The response to comment threads is reassuring, that a campaign might have some bite.
Other than that, are we counting on AIPA and us to organise a publicity campaign to shame them into keeping jobs mainline?
If a separate crewing company is created, it was always going to be.
I can't see how the gap between pilot and company demands are so wide as to threaten the viability of the project, but as an outsider it is obvious even to me that this about management ego, not economics.
Tinos public tantrum in the media made that obvious. Besides, if he thought he was in the running for AJs job he couldnt be seen to back down before Evan's does.
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This time around, I'm trying to weigh up, is whether AJ and Tino are serious about outsourcing if the votes don't go their way,
Other than that, are we counting on AIPA and us to organise a publicity campaign to shame them into keeping jobs mainline?
The best hope is that AIPA and QF come to some mutually agreeable compromise where everyone can claim they haven’t lost face. Otherwise you just accept that a ‘no’ vote means outsourcing, and decide which is the lesser of two evils.
I have personally experienced them bypassing the EA and going straight to court.
It really is a question how much they want to do it.
I would say that if they only have to give a little away then they won’t go outside the EA.
no there isn’t. Look at Jetconnect as an example. It’s registered in NZ so not under Australian ACCC legislation and therefore not subject to any law prohibiting an off shore operation.
Low cost Foreign Cabin Crew on Jetstar. Foreign based cabin crew on LHR-PER-LHR services and now talk of same UK cabin crew operating LHR-SYD-JFK_SYD-LHR. Where will it end ?
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I would personally consider that they wouldn’t have put this threat in writing if they weren’t prepared to carry it out, and they they already had a legal plan in place, and board approval.
This contingency plan has very likely been worked out way in advance, and they’ve chosen their timing carefully to release it.
The pilots are cornered.