Project Sunrise
If the pilots worked for less (or harder for the same), more destinations would become possible. However, there comes a point where you say to the company ‘this is what we are worth’. Do it or don’t.
AJ has proven to be a risk averse CEO with respect to own metal revenue generation. I’m willing to bet the ROIC demands placed on the sunrise case is disproportionately high. His excuse that there are better returns elsewhere in the business ignores the reality he is in fact running an airline. The capital bomb is still ticking. It’s not up to the pilots to diffuse the bomb when new conditions have already been established which are globally competitive.
So do it... or don’t Alan.
AJ has proven to be a risk averse CEO with respect to own metal revenue generation. I’m willing to bet the ROIC demands placed on the sunrise case is disproportionately high. His excuse that there are better returns elsewhere in the business ignores the reality he is in fact running an airline. The capital bomb is still ticking. It’s not up to the pilots to diffuse the bomb when new conditions have already been established which are globally competitive.
So do it... or don’t Alan.
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As one of the employees who is still yet to get their bonus from 2018, fully support the pilots knocking it back. Don't cave in to the demands - it isn't worth it in the long term
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Further non operating overhead is indirectly carried in the seat cost: Something has to pay for diversity management, administration and the like. With around 90% of that revenue coming from selling seats, it makes for a tight business.
By way of example, on South East Asian carrier includes and engineering cost component in the Fuel Included CASK (which seems reasonable) another carrier in the same region does not.
“Yes you Geoffrey Thomas” because he is a f##kwit who knows nothing about aviation.
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Insight to what no one is really sure, but the Chairman's lounge membership sure does help focus his attention.
GT might be some of what you accuse him of.
one thing he is not is an anonymous unidentifiable germ like yourself. You must have a monopoly on the poison keyboard market.
Show your achievements or your credentials to enjoy some credibility.
Dragon Man is just a low class whinging employee of Qf.
It’s not about the costs. It’s about the long term compounding costs.
Alan proved that with the pay freeze.
So while you may think it’s about small margins. It’s not. It’s about the compounding savings in the years to come.
It’s also about this. You’ve got to park your capital somewhere. If you can park the cash in domestic and get a better return, they will. Hence why the margins/business case are probably wafer thin compared to the return of parking the cash in another devision.
Pilot costs would not factor in regarding profit or loss. But they may make a difference in the business case of where the best ROI is.
So I guess if the 4 major sticking points are not resolved, then maybe domestic may see some cheap max aircraft.
Alan proved that with the pay freeze.
So while you may think it’s about small margins. It’s not. It’s about the compounding savings in the years to come.
It’s also about this. You’ve got to park your capital somewhere. If you can park the cash in domestic and get a better return, they will. Hence why the margins/business case are probably wafer thin compared to the return of parking the cash in another devision.
Pilot costs would not factor in regarding profit or loss. But they may make a difference in the business case of where the best ROI is.
So I guess if the 4 major sticking points are not resolved, then maybe domestic may see some cheap max aircraft.
Now, this is the sticking point: Qantas have claimed that the business case won't stand up if the pilots don't agree to these concessions.
This is where Qantas have made themselves look very foolish, because anyone can see that if the project is built around such tight margins that a few dollars out of the pilots' pockets will make or break the business case, then it most certainly should not go ahead. Or, as is obviously the case, the business case presented to threaten the pilots is a complete fabrication and nobody believes a word they are talking about. The obvious truth is that Qantas are putting a lot of pressure on pilots to reduce costs in general and are using such threats as a negotiating tool. The pilots don't like being lied to, and this probably isn't helping the negotiation.
In every feasibility of this kind I've ever looked at, the cost of flight crew is the least of your worries. Easily covered by an extra percentage point or two on RPK, mostly from the pointy end.
It's really very undignified of them to be carrying on about the pilots making or breaking the cost structure when it's patently obvious that cannot be true. And very unedifying behaviour.
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- MFF
- ULH
- Consigning future colleagues to a B scale
I wouldn’t do any of that for a pay rise, JUST SAY NO
- ULH
- Consigning future colleagues to a B scale
I wouldn’t do any of that for a pay rise, JUST SAY NO
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" the cost of flight crew is the least of your worries" probably but the aim has to be to reduce the uncertainty as much as possible. Every cost you can lock in (and hopefully cut) is a big help in the final economic runs
GT might be some of what you accuse him of.
one thing he is not is an anonymous unidentifiable germ like yourself. You must have a monopoly on the poison keyboard market.
Show your achievements or your credentials to enjoy some credibility.
Dragon Man is just a low class whinging employee of Qf.
one thing he is not is an anonymous unidentifiable germ like yourself. You must have a monopoly on the poison keyboard market.
Show your achievements or your credentials to enjoy some credibility.
Dragon Man is just a low class whinging employee of Qf.
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So if fuel costs between now and March rise 20% then the whole thing must be cancelled??...surely if the margins are that tight???...Bueller?
The whole thing is a scam, made to look as though the greedy pilots brought about it's downfall.
The A350- if we ever get it- will be a one for one replacement of the A380. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't believe me? When they were selling the 787 deal, how many aircraft did they say were we going to order? 35? It was going to be a "growth aircraft". How many do we have? 13 & 1/2, including the one having gear retraction practice in MEL.
24 million reasons to say no.
The whole thing is a scam, made to look as though the greedy pilots brought about it's downfall.
The A350- if we ever get it- will be a one for one replacement of the A380. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't believe me? When they were selling the 787 deal, how many aircraft did they say were we going to order? 35? It was going to be a "growth aircraft". How many do we have? 13 & 1/2, including the one having gear retraction practice in MEL.
24 million reasons to say no.
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"Ryanair was at the bottom with a customer score of just 44 per cent after receiving one star out of five in all categories apart from value for money, which was two stars. It has been voted the worst for six years in a row."
And yet if things got tough they'd probably be the last airline flying in Europe. At least Ryanair don't peddle the myth that it's going to be a wonderful experience - O'Leary normally compares it to getting a 'bus.
And yet if things got tough they'd probably be the last airline flying in Europe. At least Ryanair don't peddle the myth that it's going to be a wonderful experience - O'Leary normally compares it to getting a 'bus.