Project Sunrise
Straight from the Qantas media release,
“The aircraft and engine combination is next generation technology but it’s thoroughly proven after more than two years in service. This is the right choice for the Sunrise missions and it also has the right economics to do other long haul routes if we want it to.
My bold.
AJ’s words!
A380 replacement lads.
Dont sell yourselves short!
“The aircraft and engine combination is next generation technology but it’s thoroughly proven after more than two years in service. This is the right choice for the Sunrise missions and it also has the right economics to do other long haul routes if we want it to.
AJ’s words!
A380 replacement lads.
Dont sell yourselves short!
QANTAS has finally made a decision....
No order placed, it's still conditional depending on whether they proceed with "Project Sunrise". No decision on that till March 2020!
They will milk the media for all the free publicity they can get with this one
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...13-p53jmx.html
They will milk the media for all the free publicity they can get with this one
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...13-p53jmx.html
Hot off the presses............
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...13-p53jmx.html
also posted on a new thread.
The announcement will be good for ordinary Qantas shareholders, and absolutely fantastic for those that have stacks of them (you know who!)
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...13-p53jmx.html
also posted on a new thread.
The announcement will be good for ordinary Qantas shareholders, and absolutely fantastic for those that have stacks of them (you know who!)
Shouldn't this be on the Project Sunrise thread?
I'd say Airbus will be happy - with a lot of A320 variants already in the mix
Key statement in the article is this:
Qantas has in reality announced nothing.
It also went on to say that the business case has to stack up. Has anyone in business ever set out to go broke? Actually, the one possible exception to that is one Mr Joyce who appears to have actually done that on a couple of occasions!
Groundbreaking announcements, both.
. Qantas has not yet placed a binding order, but says it will buy up to 12 of the Airbus jets if it goes ahead with the ultra-long haul flights.
It also went on to say that the business case has to stack up. Has anyone in business ever set out to go broke? Actually, the one possible exception to that is one Mr Joyce who appears to have actually done that on a couple of occasions!
Groundbreaking announcements, both.
If QANTAS does buy these "A350-1000ULR specials", it will shut the B777 out of future twin-aisle fleet replacements.
A QANTAS with both B787 and A350 in its fleet would surely be very, very unlikely to add another completely different twin-aisle type when there will be a wide range of models to choose from an existing type in the fleet
Yes, the Boeing boys (and girls) will be very upset.
If QANTAS does buy these "A350-1000ULR specials", it will shut the B777 out of future twin-aisle fleet replacements.
A QANTAS with both B787 and A350 in its fleet would surely be very, very unlikely to add another completely different twin-aisle type when there will be a wide range of models to choose from an existing type in the fleet
If QANTAS does buy these "A350-1000ULR specials", it will shut the B777 out of future twin-aisle fleet replacements.
A QANTAS with both B787 and A350 in its fleet would surely be very, very unlikely to add another completely different twin-aisle type when there will be a wide range of models to choose from an existing type in the fleet
kiwi grey. The A350-1000 is the QF A380 replacement. The A350-1000 is a much larger a/c than the B787-9. Longer term the existing B787-9's will replace the A330 fleet. There is a possibility we may see the B787 fleets of QF and JQ swapped.
Pilots push back on Qantas' pressure over ultra-long haul flight deal
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...13-p53jrc.html
S&P director of corporate ratings Graeme Ferguson said the business case for Project Sunrise probably never stacked up, and that Qantas was now trying to blame its pilots for it falling over.
"Management successfully juiced two and a half years’ worth of PR gimmicks that distracted from Qantas’ chronic fleet underinvestment," he said. "Now pilots will be cast as villains. You have got to admire the gall.”
"Management successfully juiced two and a half years’ worth of PR gimmicks that distracted from Qantas’ chronic fleet underinvestment," he said. "Now pilots will be cast as villains. You have got to admire the gall.”
I agree, though I see the JQ 787s being moved back to the QF mix (they’re due for maintenance) and JQ using the new A321s in their place.
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So by our esteemed Management's logic, if between now and March there is some world event or a bit of biffo in the Middle East and fuel increases by say 20%- then the whole thing is off? The margins are so tight that the difference between crew costing 3% or 3.4% means kaput?
The entire pilot cost thing is idealogical, and illogical at that. Someone’s mega bonus is going to be a hefty percentage of whatever pilot costs are saved. Any efficiency or cost give-aways should always have a nullification clause triggered by any exec bonus or remuneration increase.
Earlier this year Joyce was bragging about pilot costs 50% lower than the US competitors. That’s under the existing contract.
Earlier this year Joyce was bragging about pilot costs 50% lower than the US competitors. That’s under the existing contract.
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The entire pilot cost thing is idealogical, and illogical at that. Someone’s mega bonus is going to be a hefty percentage of whatever pilot costs are saved. Any efficiency or cost give-aways should always have a nullification clause triggered by any exec bonus or remuneration increase.
Earlier this year Joyce was bragging about pilot costs 50% lower than the US competitors. That’s under the existing contract.
Earlier this year Joyce was bragging about pilot costs 50% lower than the US competitors. That’s under the existing contract.
Aggregate industry data (landed seat cost) places QF very favourably, seeing them, (prior to the "concessions" given under the B787 "negotiation") better than 50 percentile.
As the S&P forecaster, Graham Ferguson, suggests, it's pretty rich to hinge a "business case" on such a small element of operating cost (and completely disingenuous)
With respect to the bonuses payable if they successfully sell it to the pilots, one might posit a former union President will be rewarded with his ten pieces of silver.
Likely the DFO and his "deputy" too.
Cui Bono
"one might posit a former union President will be rewarded with his ten pieces of silver"
Jeez - QF nickel & dimeing again - Judas at least got 30 pieces of Silver IIRC
Jeez - QF nickel & dimeing again - Judas at least got 30 pieces of Silver IIRC
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Yes in the interest of technical accuracy, perhaps some of the QF folk can ask the upstanding chap.
Yes they are.
Aggregate industry data (landed seat cost) places QF very favourably, seeing them, (prior to the "concessions" given under the B787 "negotiation") better than 50 percentile.
As the S&P forecaster, Graham Ferguson, suggests, it's pretty rich to hinge a "business case" on such a small element of operating cost (and completely disingenuous)
With respect to the bonuses payable if they successfully sell it to the pilots, one might posit a former union President will be rewarded with his ten pieces of silver.
Likely the DFO and his "deputy" too.
Cui Bono
Aggregate industry data (landed seat cost) places QF very favourably, seeing them, (prior to the "concessions" given under the B787 "negotiation") better than 50 percentile.
As the S&P forecaster, Graham Ferguson, suggests, it's pretty rich to hinge a "business case" on such a small element of operating cost (and completely disingenuous)
With respect to the bonuses payable if they successfully sell it to the pilots, one might posit a former union President will be rewarded with his ten pieces of silver.
Likely the DFO and his "deputy" too.
Cui Bono
I bet rated de wouldn’t dare call these guys those names to their faces. And I bet he’d even buy the beers on the round of drinks with Alan and Nathan. It’s the same crap over and over and is completely pointless debate. Seriously, if you think the dribble he writes is actually worth reading, I question your own intellect.
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A wage proposal Qantas presented to union negotiators this week and seen by the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age shows the airline wants to use a common pool of pilots trained to fly both the new A350s and its existing A330s, which operate around the Asia Pacific.
You have the 330 on the old Long Haul Award Black Book and no doubt the unctuous one wants the 350 on a 787 type deal .
No doubt this will make the pay section people tear their hair out working out payslips for any mixed fleet flying !