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https://www.snowsbest.com/qantas-london-sydney/ Crew is 1 Capt 1 FO 2 SO, shape of things to come?
" Well why don’t they just stay in the same hotel? 
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Todays Australian Aviation Page gives a entertaining EK crew summary and makes note of the seperate accom for QF crews
One of Baileys better writings. Worth a read
"Todays Australian Aviation Page gives a entertaining EK crew summary and makes note of the seperate accom for QF crews
One of Baileys better writings. Worth a read
Separate hotels to stop crew interaction is just rubbish. Separate hotels is sometimes because one hotel can’t supply enough rooms but more likely to be because flt ops and cabin crew are separate departments running there own budgets so therefore cabin crew management are prepared to put their employees in lower standard hotels andor in less desirable locations for budgetary reasons.
AIPA pushes very hard to not let the standard reduce or be located in an undesirable location. Doesn’t always succeed however.
Don't think I would like that length of sector with Crew Rest area as shown. At least in my company we have a crew loo, and separate compartments with a seat too. A curtain separating your colleague? not good for disturbance.
Crewing as well? One Copt. one F/O and two S/O (not qualified in RH seat for T/O and landing)
All our P2 are fully qualified for 2 crew ops. before route flying.
Crewing as well? One Copt. one F/O and two S/O (not qualified in RH seat for T/O and landing)
All our P2 are fully qualified for 2 crew ops. before route flying.
Crewing as well? One Copt. one F/O and two S/O (not qualified in RH seat for T/O and landing)
To suggest this should be with a Capt, FO and two SOs, neither of whom are rated for takeoff and landing is patently ridiculous. No disrespect to SOs but if this is the crewing planned, then one of the front seat pilots will be likely be less rested than one of the SOs.
Minimum should be Capt, 2 FOs and one SO. Capt gets whatever break they want, FOs sort amongst themselves to ensure one of them is fresh at the start and one at the end (however they sort it under the Captain’s approval) and the SO gets what’s leftover.
Management would hate this however, as it presumably hasn’t been factored in to their ‘model’ but it is the minimum with current QF crew qualifications to ensure the front seat pilots are as fresh as possible both at the start and at the end of the flight.
Posted on the spotter forum - 52 pax out of LHR - but so early in the morning almost zero UK coverage apparently......... journo's don't get up until the pubs open
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/d...-board-report/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/d...-board-report/
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Why aren't they doing the research flights with different crew variations to better assess which is best? (e.g NY-SYD with 1 capt 2 fos 1 so, then LHR-SYD 1 capt 1 fo 2 sos etc)
Edit: doesn't really help if it's all 1 capt 1 fo 2sos on all research flights no?
Edit: doesn't really help if it's all 1 capt 1 fo 2sos on all research flights no?
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[QUOTE][/Agreed. The current crew complement, which is presumably what QF plans to fly should this become a reality, is unacceptable. You need two crew in the front seats fully rested and able to operate at their optimum at the start of the flight and you need two crew in the front seats rested as fully as possible, able to operate as best they can twenty hours later.
To suggest this should be with a Capt, FO and two SOs, neither of whom are rated for takeoff and landing is patently ridiculous. No disrespect to SOs but if this is the crewing planned, then one of the front seat pilots will be likely be less rested than one of the SOs.
Minimum should be Capt, 2 FOs and one SO. Capt gets whatever break they want, F/Os sort among themselves to ensure one of them is fresh at the start and one at the end (however they sort it under the Captain's approval) and the SO gets what's leftover.
Management would hate this however, as it presumably hasn't t been factored in to their ‘model but it is the minimum with current QF crew qualifications to ensure the front seat pilots are as fresh as possible both at the start and at the end of the flight.QUOTE]
Where, pray tell, is the oversight and input from the Licencing Authority i.e CASA?
Is this not their Obligation, Duty of Care and Responsibility?
To suggest this should be with a Capt, FO and two SOs, neither of whom are rated for takeoff and landing is patently ridiculous. No disrespect to SOs but if this is the crewing planned, then one of the front seat pilots will be likely be less rested than one of the SOs.
Minimum should be Capt, 2 FOs and one SO. Capt gets whatever break they want, F/Os sort among themselves to ensure one of them is fresh at the start and one at the end (however they sort it under the Captain's approval) and the SO gets what's leftover.
Management would hate this however, as it presumably hasn't t been factored in to their ‘model but it is the minimum with current QF crew qualifications to ensure the front seat pilots are as fresh as possible both at the start and at the end of the flight.QUOTE]
Where, pray tell, is the oversight and input from the Licencing Authority i.e CASA?
Is this not their Obligation, Duty of Care and Responsibility?
[QUOTE=Dark Knight;10619481]
Agree with all above, obligation is to their shareholders, duty of care is a foreign concept in Qantas , and responsibility is to ensure that they get as fatter bonuses as possible.
[/Agreed. The current crew complement, which is presumably what QF plans to fly should this become a reality, is unacceptable. You need two crew in the front seats fully rested and able to operate at their optimum at the start of the flight and you need two crew in the front seats rested as fully as possible, able to operate as best they can twenty hours later.
To suggest this should be with a Capt, FO and two SOs, neither of whom are rated for takeoff and landing is patently ridiculous. No disrespect to SOs but if this is the crewing planned, then one of the front seat pilots will be likely be less rested than one of the SOs.
Minimum should be Capt, 2 FOs and one SO. Capt gets whatever break they want, F/Os sort among themselves to ensure one of them is fresh at the start and one at the end (however they sort it under the Captain's approval) and the SO gets what's leftover.
Management would hate this however, as it presumably hasn't t been factored in to their ‘model but it is the minimum with current QF crew qualifications to ensure the front seat pilots are as fresh as possible both at the start and at the end of the flight.QUOTE]
Where, pray tell, is the oversight and input from the Licencing Authority i.e CASA?
Is this not their Obligation, Duty of Care and Responsibility?
To suggest this should be with a Capt, FO and two SOs, neither of whom are rated for takeoff and landing is patently ridiculous. No disrespect to SOs but if this is the crewing planned, then one of the front seat pilots will be likely be less rested than one of the SOs.
Minimum should be Capt, 2 FOs and one SO. Capt gets whatever break they want, F/Os sort among themselves to ensure one of them is fresh at the start and one at the end (however they sort it under the Captain's approval) and the SO gets what's leftover.
Management would hate this however, as it presumably hasn't t been factored in to their ‘model but it is the minimum with current QF crew qualifications to ensure the front seat pilots are as fresh as possible both at the start and at the end of the flight.QUOTE]
Where, pray tell, is the oversight and input from the Licencing Authority i.e CASA?
Is this not their Obligation, Duty of Care and Responsibility?
Agree with all above, obligation is to their shareholders, duty of care is a foreign concept in Qantas , and responsibility is to ensure that they get as fatter bonuses as possible.
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To the Qantas Captains selected for these research / PR flights.
PLEASE think carefully about what you are going to say to the assembled media at the end of the 20hours.
I understand it’s very thrilling but soundbites such as you feel better rested than if you were at home (1st) or like the latest “This flight was a dream for us. It was very exciting and it was pretty easy to do” is unhelpful in the extreme.
How about next flight actually preparing / practicing a statement along the lines:
“My crew and I were thrilled to play another significant part in Qantas’ 100year history of innovation and pioneering spirit of Australia. These new routes present complex challenges to both machine and the Humans who operate them. Our hope is this small step contributes to the ongoing quest to innovate and expand our global reach.”
PLEASE think carefully about what you are going to say to the assembled media at the end of the 20hours.
I understand it’s very thrilling but soundbites such as you feel better rested than if you were at home (1st) or like the latest “This flight was a dream for us. It was very exciting and it was pretty easy to do” is unhelpful in the extreme.
How about next flight actually preparing / practicing a statement along the lines:
“My crew and I were thrilled to play another significant part in Qantas’ 100year history of innovation and pioneering spirit of Australia. These new routes present complex challenges to both machine and the Humans who operate them. Our hope is this small step contributes to the ongoing quest to innovate and expand our global reach.”
Last edited by CaptCloudbuster; 16th Nov 2019 at 19:01.
Well that wouldn’t help in ones quest to climb the greasy pole to higher positions would it.
Only those who truly Believe in Big Brother will stand any chance of selection for PR flights or meeting the Press