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Old 25th Oct 2019, 22:10
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Originally Posted by V-Jet
Shorts anyone??
That’s a little extreme. Qantas need a new fleet, but the Shorts won’t even make Ballina. Never mind New York.

Although, you may be into something; The Shorts is unpleasant to look at, noisy and short. It’s also Irish. There’s an interesting symmetry here. The description reminds me of someone. Hmmmm.




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Old 25th Oct 2019, 22:18
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Having done a large number of arrivals into both those ports, I have to disagree with your view.
I don’t doubt your perspective. But, JFK in bad winter weather ? I’m having difficulty imagining worse.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 03:41
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I don’t doubt your perspective. But, JFK in bad winter weather ? I’m having difficulty imagining worse.
Give me JFK in any weather before a typhoon around Hong Kong.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 06:17
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Give JFK winter or HKG typhoon over any day into Melbourne.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 06:35
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'Traffic", thanks I wasn't aware.
JamieMaree: RTFQ! Don't go off guns blazing when you've missed the key statement.
What does "East is least, West is best" mean?... though I don't expect many in this Industry to understand this old saying and the depth it can go into, it refers to Circadian Rhythms & was the core of what I meant by "harder sector" and the centre of all this QF self-flagellation. By all means have all the sensors and monitors you like but do it on a Westerly sector and keep monitoring for 48 hours after landing! Trans Pacific; Atlantic; India or Continental it doesn't matter, it's still rings true.
(P.S. It is also a way of remembering Magnetic variation)
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 06:54
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Why didn't they fly Sydney - New York... as any long haul pilot "worth their salt" knows that that's the harder sector!
East is least, West is best!
As a general rule, maybe so, but I'll take the morning departure out of Melbourne for a 6:30am arrival in LAX over the return with a 10:30pm departure for a 7:30am arrival, any time you like.
I generally feel a bit weary into LAX but considerably more roooooo-ted at the end of the return trip, especially if I've been up the front for 4 hours or more before we start shooting the ILS.
That's why an extra F/O at the expense of a S/O on anything longer should be the minimum crew complement.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 07:19
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Serious question, how does an extra FO instead of a SO fix the problem?
How would the roster work on LAX MEL?
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 07:30
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It means both the lucky two in the window seats can have a 3-4 hr rest immediately before conducting the descent, approach, landing/ go around, diversion, approach and landing!
Else based upon current crewing, one with a command endorsement has been up for possibly the last 3-5 hrs immediately before these final misadventures!
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 10:35
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Originally Posted by JamieMaree
Serious question, how does an extra FO instead of a SO fix the problem?
How would the roster work on LAX MEL?
Both capt and the operating fo get the plum breaks positioning them (perhaps significantly) better for the latter stages.
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 05:15
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Don’t know if I’d want a brain scanner on my head......
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 05:28
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So you fly only one a roster which is what the research data flight is. In fact it’s more as they fly only one in total, I look forward to the chef on board preparing me a special dish of spicy prawns.
Stay on Sydney time then you get to go off a whole 8 hours. Everything is awesome.
I suppose we can fly one a roster with special catering. Like for like with the research.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 05:30
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Originally Posted by C441
As a general rule, maybe so, but I'll take the morning departure out of Melbourne for a 6:30am arrival in LAX over the return with a 10:30pm departure for a 7:30am arrival, any time you like.
I generally feel a bit weary into LAX but considerably more roooooo-ted at the end of the return trip, especially if I've been up the front for 4 hours or more before we start shooting the ILS.
That's why an extra F/O at the expense of a S/O on anything longer should be the minimum crew complement.
Direction affects Jetlag. The return sector is more tiring cause shock horror your up all night when you should be asleep.
Hence why we have night credits as a fatigue countermeasure in roster building.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 09:03
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Originally Posted by Don Diego
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Look at all the science.

The university sector has in many cases sidelined serious research, preferring glib "consulting research" and foreign full fee paying students.
All that was missing was the clown noses and the circus was complete.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 00:46
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They will not look at ANY science because there is none that will support a 24 hour tour of duty. The results are in and have been for decades but they are dismissed and/or ignored.
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Originally Posted by Don Diego
They will not look at ANY science because there is none that will support a 24 hour tour of duty. The results are in and have been for decades but they are dismissed and/or ignored.
Was tongue in cheek Don...

That crap is certainly not science
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What health problems are common among pilots?

Hunter pointed to malignant melanoma (a type of cancer that develops from pigment containing cells). He said: “The reasons for the excess of malignant melanoma are unclear. However, Balpa is concerned about the blue light and near-visible ultraviolet light exposure in the cockpit, as well as circadian rhythm disruption.”
Ever wonder why airline management hand out sunscreen to pilots? It isn't kindness...


"Over 40 years of evidence indicate a strong association between nightly sleep duration and mortality risk".
Thank you Dunda, very informative.
This is precisely why Little Napoleon wants a deal signed as quickly as possible and so little "research" to be conducted.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 04:27
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Ever wonder why airline management hand out sunscreen to pilots? It isn't kindness...




Thank you Dunda, very informative.
This is precisely why Little Napoleon wants a deal signed as quickly as possible and so little "research" to be conducted.
Easy. Don’t bid to fly it. Stay on the 380. No one is holding a gun to YOUR head or go and fly the 73 for a few years to get a reality adjustment then tell us what’s so bad with the proposal. It’s what pilots do in their down time that’s probably more detrimental to their health than the effects of long haul flying. Lay off the booze, get fit and stop perusing Pprune to name a few points. It’s a real pity that something positive just like Per LHR is being hijacked by the Chicken Littles once again to suit their own agenda. Qantas need a new fleet? Well this is one way we’re going to get one!
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 04:42
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Originally Posted by Troo believer

Easy. Don’t bid to fly it. Stay on the 380. No one is holding a gun to YOUR head or go and fly the 73 for a few years to get a reality adjustment then tell us what’s so bad with the proposal. It’s what pilots do in their down time that’s probably more detrimental to their health than the effects of long haul flying. Lay off the booze, get fit and stop perusing Pprune to name a few points. It’s a real pity that something positive just like Per LHR is being hijacked by the Chicken Littles once again to suit their own agenda. Qantas need a new fleet? Well this is one way we’re going to get one!

This sounds a bit like the old GA, " I'll fly it for free if they wont do it boss".

Or have I miss understood you? You'd be happy with whatever the deal, as long as it arrives?
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