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Old 24th Oct 2019, 05:37
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It was a private flight according to one of the tech crew.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 06:04
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Departure and arrival + ATC
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rswy1btty...nd+arrival.mp4

Alan and the Captain
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rswy1btty...an+Golding.mp4
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 06:45
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I’d say many punters will buy tickets because of this fluff when the flight happens.

PER - LHR, nah it won’t work, no one will buy tickets, to long on a plane...........

If they build it they will come!
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 08:07
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I'd buy a ticket straight away.
As long as there are good movies and the food's ok - no worries.
No need to @rse around with those prats in LA or the hassle of a stopover.
Just remember to get up and walk around.
One trip - done.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Qantas 787
Well said. All the money wasted may buy publicity but how many punters actually spend money to buy a ticket as aa result of this fluff - zero.
Disagree. Hate on Joyce, Wirth and those Angels all you like, but brand and reputation matter. 2011 damaged the brand badly but I think it's been rebuilt a lot since then. PER-LHR, Sunrise, and all of the media on Qantas focusing on sleep studies, sleep products and sleep-enhancing food and drink... They all build a brand around Qantas being better at long haul than other airlines.


We can roll our eyes because we know how the sausage is made, but QFi's market share, loads, yields and profits are all up, while CX, SQ, EK, EY, QR etc - who were booming in Australia a few years ago - are all struggling. Maybe T-shirt Todd knows a thing or two about advertising, and is doing his bit to help pay the bills.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 18:56
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I’d buy that argument. I’d say it took T-shirt Todd to actually teach the poison dwarf and his coterie of sycophants what an airline actually is. Put it this way, I can’t put in words how much I despise the people responsible for wrecking Qantas over the last 10+ years but I’ve noticed a big change for the better from a purely marketing perspective in the last couple. I hope Todd is reviled as much as I am by the completely bastardised logo!!
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 03:31
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Domestic has kept the Q flag flying for a long time now, you lot who babble on about international operations are in yesteryear. That horse has bolted and likely won't ever return no matter what BS they spruik.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 06:30
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JFK-SYD is well over the Boeing website range for the 789. 8,646 nm vs. 7530 nm. Is the max range they give based on MTOW?

What airframe could Boeing offer to deliver consistently reliable Syd-JFK and return operability with a commercial load? The 777-8 range is quoted by Boeing at 8,750 nm which is just over the Great Circle distance, but what are the air miles flown? Surely you'd need more range than just the Great Circle distance? And that's on paper anyway - fuel consumption might be worse with a plastic rather than paper aeroplane. If the 777-8 ever gets built...

AB is quoting 8,700 nm range for the A350-1000. A strategically-chosen number?
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 06:47
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Originally Posted by Pearly White


JFK-SYD is well over the Boeing website range for the 789. 8,646 nm vs. 7530 nm. Is the max range they give based on MTOW?

What airframe could Boeing offer to deliver consistently reliable Syd-JFK and return operability with a commercial load? The 777-8 range is quoted by Boeing at 8,750 nm which is just over the Great Circle distance, but what are the air miles flown? Surely you'd need more range than just the Great Circle distance? And that's on paper anyway - fuel consumption might be worse with a plastic rather than paper aeroplane. If the 777-8 ever gets built...

AB is quoting 8,700 nm range for the A350-1000. A strategically-chosen number?
Airbus and Boeing both quote their ranges based on a 'standard' cabin layout and density. From memory I think it's about 365-370 pax. Qantas is planning a lower number of passengers, 300 or less, weighted towards F/J/W cabins. That lets them cut weight in passengers, baggage, seats (although premium seats are heavier...), food, water, crockery etc. All of that extends the range beyond the OEM's standard range.

JFK should be fine, range wise. LHR might require some seats to be blocked in economy depending on the winds.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 06:54
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I'd say the manufacturers figures will always be underquoted, so that in the event the aircraft doesn't do it, the airline can't sue the manufacturer.
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We can roll our eyes because we know how the sausage is made, but QFi's market share, loads, yields and profits are all up, while CX, SQ, EK, EY, QR etc
Seasonally adjusted rASK fell by an annualised 3.7% during the quarter which is a significant hit to rASK. QF stated that rASK rose by 2.1%, however, this is on a YoY basis. Yields may be on the slide.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 08:57
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Seasonally adjusted rASK fell by an annualised 3.7% during the quarter which is a significant hit to rASK. QF stated that rASK rose by 2.1%, however, this is on a YoY basis. Yields may be on the slide.
Judging by the loads I look at every day I would load factors are falling also domestically the only thing saving their bacon with 737 breakdowns is lower demand enabling flights to be cancelled. Some days up to 10 737s are out with engineering issues.
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Originally Posted by T-Vasis
Seasonally adjusted rASK fell by an annualised 3.7% during the quarter which is a significant hit to rASK. QF stated that rASK rose by 2.1%, however, this is on a YoY basis. Yields may be on the slide.
An astute observation.
From the point of view of yield, an aircraft stretching range needs to sacrifice revenue payload for fuel payload and as such yield on premium cabins is a vital characteristic of route profitability.

Airbus and Boeing both quote their ranges based on a 'standard' cabin layout and density. From memory I think it's about 365-370 pax. Qantas is planning a lower number of passengers, 300 or less, weighted towards F/J/W cabins. That lets them cut weight in passengers, baggage, seats (although premium seats are heavier...), food, water, crockery etc. All of that extends the range beyond the OEM's standard range. JFK should be fine, range wise. LHR might require some seats to be blocked in economy depending on the winds.
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Both manufacturers have changed their generic assumptions with respect to "configuration" and also the reserve fuel is calculated differently which changes stated/achieved range profile considerably.

Nonetheless operating economics will mean that premium cabin yield is very important. Stretching range with a cabin full of discount economy isn't easy....

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Old 25th Oct 2019, 09:03
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Originally Posted by dragon man


Judging by the loads I look at every day I would load factors are falling also domestically the only thing saving their bacon with 737 breakdowns is lower demand enabling flights to be cancelled. Some days up to 10 737s are out with engineering issues.
Do they need a new fleet?
Or just CEO?

Disagree. Hate on Joyce, Wirth and those Angels all you like, but brand and reputation matter. 2011 damaged the brand badly but I think it's been rebuilt a lot since then. PER-LHR, Sunrise, and all of the media on Qantas focusing on sleep studies, sleep products and sleep-enhancing food and drink... They all build a brand around Qantas being better at long haul than other airlines.
The brand damage inflicted according to some detailed research was in excess of AUD $ 1 billion..
The same moron who tried to kill the "terminal" Qantas, went to Dubai, abandoning Singapore, only to go back again with a "transformed" airline is now trying to reinvigorate the "brand" he apparently single handedly decided to destroy on a Saturday morning in October 2011.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 09:52
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I do not think things are going well at all for Qf. Quite an achievement when you start with a quasi monopoly in the longest booming economy in the western world. For those Qf ‘bears’ out there (and I’m one) wondering what the hell people just aren’t seeing, then take some solace in the time it took for the game to play out with the guys who looked at the US sub prime property market and declared it made no sense at all.

They tried to sell it in one go. That didn’t work. It’s being sold off piece by piece. Like an eco system being destroyed it’s a ‘key’ species that will bring about ruin. It might be bees, butterflies or an insignificant looking snail. But once that particular species (business unit) is gone and can’t be replaced, eco systems (entire companies) will die. And then it’s too late.

Shorts anyone??
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 10:24
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Yes, many good points above, noting the sale of QF owned Airport Terminals and assets to boost the bottom line... temporarily but with four of Australia's Airports ranking in the World's Top Five Most Profitable Airports... you can guess what's going to happen now

This ULH from New York was a stitch-up, joke and exercise in self-flagellation also.
Why didn't they fly Sydney - New York... as any long haul pilot "worth their salt" knows that that's the harder sector!
East is least, West is best!
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 10:43
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Originally Posted by Chocks Away
Yes, many good points above, noting the sale of QF owned Airport Terminals and assets to boost the bottom line... temporarily but with four of Australia's Airports ranking in the World's Top Five Most Profitable Airports... you can guess what's going to happen now

This ULH from New York was a stitch-up, joke and exercise in self-flagellation also.
Why didn't they fly Sydney - New York... as any long haul pilot "worth their salt" knows that that's the harder sector!
East is least, West is best!
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what a load of crap.
Jfk to Syd is a couple of hours longer because of the prevailing westerly winds.
Syd JFK is hours of routine finalised with 20 minutes of chaos with 2 hrs extra fuel up your sleeve.
Jfk Syd is an unknown time of frustration taxing followed by hours of routine followed by 20’ of mystery as to which arrival routing eventuates with 2 hours less fuel and 2 hours more tour of duty.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 11:57
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sale of QF owned Airport Terminals
Actually, they sold their leases back early, most of which expired around 2018-2019 anyway.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 12:01
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Regardless of the tour of duty a JFK arrival on a bad day is still harder than a SYD arrival on its worst day.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 14:23
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Originally Posted by PW1830
Regardless of the tour of duty a JFK arrival on a bad day is still harder than a SYD arrival on its worst day.
Having done a large number of arrivals into both those ports, I have to disagree with your view.
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