Project Sunrise
short flights long nights
You should see the Flight Deck ‘ crew rest’ on EK 777s. It’s a total joke. I don’t know how it is even legal.
Rail crews routinely run from Adelaide to Perth 4 up (2 man crews), 8 hours driving, 8 hours resting, give or take. Depart Adelaide turn west, and arrive Perth 43-ish hours later. That being said, they actually have a dedicated crew van behind the locos in which to prepare meals, stretch and sleep. Not some half-assed bed smaller than the kids bunks in my caravan. Even with all that, they don't get anywhere near the sleep they do at home, unsurprisingly.
The beds themselves are fine but 2 separate seats, a toilet and a private area to change are must-haves on the Sunrise aircraft.
Your seat for dinner -
Followed by a nice nap on the ‘new Boeing’ innovative futon and magic curtain.
Or, a seat to eat dinner, watch a movie and a place to stretch out ?
Behind which, are two properly segregated bunks -
Its hilarious that the ‘futon in the attic’ is considered a proper pilot rest area for 20 plus hours.
N.B. - The top two photos are the ‘modern Boeing’ 787. The bottom two are the 777 under the ‘real Boeing’ management.
The 787 crew rest, for the longest flight in the world.
Your seat for dinner -
Followed by a nice nap on the ‘new Boeing’ innovative futon and magic curtain.
Or, a seat to eat dinner, watch a movie and a place to stretch out ?
Behind which, are two properly segregated bunks -
Its hilarious that the ‘futon in the attic’ is considered a proper pilot rest area for 20 plus hours.
N.B. - The top two photos are the ‘modern Boeing’ 787. The bottom two are the 777 under the ‘real Boeing’ management.
Two different models and hardly a third world problem? I’ve never heard of a pilot not bidding to the 78 because of the crew rest. The flight time for Sunrise is about 2 hours give or take longer than Perth London. What’s the big deal? I recall the same chicken littles running around prior to the vote incorporating 787 award conditions yet it was voted up by about 80%. Sure details will be needed to be weeded out but Sunrise could be the advantage we need that’s been usurped by subsidised ME3. That could only be a good thing.
N.B. - The top two photos are the ‘modern Boeing’ 787. The bottom two are the 777 under the ‘real Boeing’ management.
https://simpleflying.com/qantas-proj...edium=facebookHere’s Why Qantas’ Project Sunrise Likely Won’t Take Off Until 2023
Here’s Why Qantas’ Project Sunrise Likely Won’t Take Off Until 2023
As the dust settles on the weekend’s Project Sunrise research flight from New York to Sydney, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce is looking at a four-year time frame to get the flights up and running. There was some earlier optimism the flights would begin by late 2021, but Mr Joyce now says the Project Sunrise flights most likely won’t take off until 2023.
Two different models and hardly a third world problem? I’ve never heard of a pilot not bidding to the 78 because of the crew rest. The flight time for Sunrise is about 2 hours give or take longer than Perth London. What’s the big deal? I recall the same chicken littles running around prior to the vote incorporating 787 award conditions yet it was voted up by about 80%. Sure details will be needed to be weeded out but Sunrise could be the advantage we need that’s been usurped by subsidised ME3. That could only be a good thing.
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But I'm sensing with all the internal BS coming from certain management sycophants right now that they're actually spoiling for a fight to align us more with LCC conditions, and they seem to be greasing up the media in preparation. I'm just psyching myself up for more "I'm really one of the lower paid workers compared to the pilots" tripe from the CEO, just like he did during the last dispute.
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But the flight has attracted criticism for being all spin over scientific substance. While historical, 40 passengers (all in business class) and 10 crew looked to be engaged in a series of lite science experiments that were more about generating PR and quantifiable results. Pictures emerged of the passengers doing expansive stretching exercises in an empty economy cabin.
Soooo..did qantas charge anyone on the flight for the seat?
if not, it wasn’t the worlds longest “commercial” flight, it was a ferry with a bunch of people going for a jolly, and kudos to the QF PR team for making something out of nothing.
virgin did 19-20-21 hr ferries in the 330 Toulouse to Melbourne years ago, so no great feat by qantas...and virgin did it without special catering or brain monitors - ****loads of foie gras but nothing super special.
if not, it wasn’t the worlds longest “commercial” flight, it was a ferry with a bunch of people going for a jolly, and kudos to the QF PR team for making something out of nothing.
virgin did 19-20-21 hr ferries in the 330 Toulouse to Melbourne years ago, so no great feat by qantas...and virgin did it without special catering or brain monitors - ****loads of foie gras but nothing super special.
But I'm sensing with all the internal BS coming from certain management sycophants right now that they're actually spoiling for a fight to align us more with LCC conditions, and they seem to be greasing up the media in preparation. I'm just psyching myself up for more "I'm really one of the lower paid workers compared to the pilots" tripe from the CEO, just like he did during the last dispute.