Project Sunrise
So a bit of realism to the end of the ULH.
I love the attacking comments towards me, grow up it’s called constructive criticism. Sunrise, Bananrama, Tequila Sunrise, the flight will happen. Make it work for you.
Yes I’ve been repetitive as I feel the comments need to be.
Busted! Yes I have replied after a few, actually doesn’t change my attitude to this flight. Do the job you signed up for. As for Sunrise fight make sure you have the required crew requirement, rest and erm repeat do your job.
As I’ve said several time no I haven’t flown ULH, yes paxed numerous times not that that counts!
I am still more concerned about 2 crew red eyes than multi crew ULH!
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Do the job you signed up for. As for Sunrise fight (sic) make sure you have the required crew requirement, rest and erm repeat do your job.
Nobody has signed up for this. The health impact is not known.
By all means, if there is scientifically valid modelling that says there is no negative health impact then what ought follow is a change to the regulatory limits and then a negotiation.
Filling the aircraft with turncoats and hack media helps drive a commercial agenda.
Not sure how 150 passengers in economy can squeeze into a galley to do calisthenics, but when plied with "free" accommodation and meals, it is hardly in one's interest to mention anything other than what the bribe was expected to deliver.
Soft corruption takes many forms.
Does the A350 or B777X have bleed air extraction for cabin pressurisation?
That alone, according to Boeing makes a difference to passenger "amenity"
So the "data" even less relevant.
This is simply Little Napoleon pushing a commercial agenda.
He set the deadline. Let it lapse.
Do not fall for the commerce, it is a misdirection.
It is health and safety that matters-long term
If all you QFers are unhappy with the different opinions being voiced here, which is a public forum, take yourselves off to your Qantas forum.
Otherwise, suck it up and let others exercise their right to free speech
Otherwise, suck it up and let others exercise their right to free speech
You are welcome to your free speech as we that don’t agree with you are.
I should clarify. I don’t have a problem with your opinions on the matter, but there’s a few who seem to think that unless we’re experts in the area or a QF pilot, we’re not entitled to an opinion. These are the ones I’m talking about.
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if there is scientifically valid modelling that says there is no negative health impact
One of the posts talks about crew rest not being segregated.
how are the rest areas set up? Do they have a forward flight crew rest near the 1 doors and cabin crew rest near the rear doors?
and does the flight crew rest have a couple of seats, IFE and corresponding bunks?
not suggesting anything just curious.
how are the rest areas set up? Do they have a forward flight crew rest near the 1 doors and cabin crew rest near the rear doors?
and does the flight crew rest have a couple of seats, IFE and corresponding bunks?
not suggesting anything just curious.
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The Daily Mail has a report on the JFK-SYD flight, with pictures of the pilots wearing brain monitoring headbands and passengers doing yoga in the galleys.
I can't imagine doing a flight that long in economy, without the ability to lie down flat at any time. I think the longest flight I've had was about 11 hours, and by the end I was stir-crazy.
I can't imagine doing a flight that long in economy, without the ability to lie down flat at any time. I think the longest flight I've had was about 11 hours, and by the end I was stir-crazy.
Whilst I do object to the farce that is the ‘science’ regarding this little exercise I think it’s great that AJ (no doubt with a LOT of pushing from Todd S) has actually started to understand what an airline is.
I do think it’s reasonable to point out that the original pax to SYD came chained below decks for 6+ months. Little jet lag of course, but success of those trips was measured in mortality rates.
Im vehemently against the farce the ‘science’ around these ULH flights are and the complete disregard for the people who actually put the bonus on the table for management but it’s an interesting footnote in history...
I do think it’s reasonable to point out that the original pax to SYD came chained below decks for 6+ months. Little jet lag of course, but success of those trips was measured in mortality rates.
Im vehemently against the farce the ‘science’ around these ULH flights are and the complete disregard for the people who actually put the bonus on the table for management but it’s an interesting footnote in history...
It's interesting to note the effort QF are going to with regards to reducing or minimising the adverse affect this length of flight may have on the passenger, who may only endure this once or twice a year.
Telling that the same amount of effort is not being put into minimising the affect this operation will have on crew who may operate 3 or 4 sectors like this a month.
Telling that the same amount of effort is not being put into minimising the affect this operation will have on crew who may operate 3 or 4 sectors like this a month.
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At first I was wondering how many fares they sold, but it turns out you can't fault them for selling it (to the media) as "World's longest commercial flight successfully touches down at Sydney Airport" - the whole thing was a commercial, after all! 
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One of the posts talks about crew rest not being segregated.
how are the rest areas set up? Do they have a forward flight crew rest near the 1 doors and cabin crew rest near the rear doors?
and does the flight crew rest have a couple of seats, IFE and corresponding bunks?
not suggesting anything just curious.
how are the rest areas set up? Do they have a forward flight crew rest near the 1 doors and cabin crew rest near the rear doors?
and does the flight crew rest have a couple of seats, IFE and corresponding bunks?
not suggesting anything just curious.
Thanks BNT,
the pics give me the answer. re segregated I thought it meant flight and cabin crew not male/female (if that is what you were alluding to) but I see dragon man means (I think) that the two bunks only have a short partition between them.
i don’t know about the jumbo, but the 777 has a much longer partition between the two bunks and they are much more private than the ones in the pic.
interesting for long sectors, I would have thought the layout would make the rest less comfortable.
the pics give me the answer. re segregated I thought it meant flight and cabin crew not male/female (if that is what you were alluding to) but I see dragon man means (I think) that the two bunks only have a short partition between them.
i don’t know about the jumbo, but the 777 has a much longer partition between the two bunks and they are much more private than the ones in the pic.
interesting for long sectors, I would have thought the layout would make the rest less comfortable.
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There were some fare paying customers that were originally booked JFK to MEL via LAX and offered the opportunity to transfer to this service.
The other issue that will dilute QF’s hype around these ‘new’ services is that they’ll simply be copied once airlines also get access to the metal. Expect Delta, United, BA etc., to do the same. This won’t be unique to QF. Yield will be diluted and then the economics might not stack up on the basis of fuel and the burn penalty to carry it.
The other issue that will dilute QF’s hype around these ‘new’ services is that they’ll simply be copied once airlines also get access to the metal. Expect Delta, United, BA etc., to do the same. This won’t be unique to QF. Yield will be diluted and then the economics might not stack up on the basis of fuel and the burn penalty to carry it.
Thanks BNT,
the pics give me the answer. re segregated I thought it meant flight and cabin crew not male/female (if that is what you were alluding to) but I see dragon man means (I think) that the two bunks only have a short partition between them.
i don’t know about the jumbo, but the 777 has a much longer partition between the two bunks and they are much more private than the ones in the pic.
interesting for long sectors, I would have thought the layout would make the rest less comfortable.
the pics give me the answer. re segregated I thought it meant flight and cabin crew not male/female (if that is what you were alluding to) but I see dragon man means (I think) that the two bunks only have a short partition between them.
i don’t know about the jumbo, but the 777 has a much longer partition between the two bunks and they are much more private than the ones in the pic.
interesting for long sectors, I would have thought the layout would make the rest less comfortable.
The pictures don’t adequately show the dividing heavy curtain well - the bunks are totally private - the curtain is a very heavy gauge and does what it should.
The only hassle is that there is a shared space with only one seat in it. If you need to change before crawling in to the bed and the other person is sitting in the chair, you are not given much room / privacy to do so.
Of course there are many ways to mitigate the issues, but it is worse than the other fleets rest areas in regards to privacy / toilet access etc.
The proposed 4 man crew complement plus the crew bunks in the 787 are IMO totally inadequate for a 22 hour TOD.