Project Sunrise
The pertinent questions are these -
• In a scientific study; Why would there be anyone allowed anywhere near the control subjects, other than the researchers ?
• why would you pack the aircraft with journalists and management if you were serious about a real analysis of fatigue ?
This is a media objective and a luxury press junket, designed to achieve a positive industrial goal. No serious scientist would associate themselves with this as research or an experiment.
If that’s untrue; I ask Qantas Flight Ops to invite the major scientific institutions of Australia to publish their findings in the appropriate scientific journals. I’ll wait.
Qantas is going to be waiting a long tine before a serious scientist, with a PHD behind their name signs ‘the study’. After all, their reputations would hang upon it. Unlike Qantas management.
• In a scientific study; Why would there be anyone allowed anywhere near the control subjects, other than the researchers ?
• why would you pack the aircraft with journalists and management if you were serious about a real analysis of fatigue ?
This is a media objective and a luxury press junket, designed to achieve a positive industrial goal. No serious scientist would associate themselves with this as research or an experiment.
If that’s untrue; I ask Qantas Flight Ops to invite the major scientific institutions of Australia to publish their findings in the appropriate scientific journals. I’ll wait.
Qantas is going to be waiting a long tine before a serious scientist, with a PHD behind their name signs ‘the study’. After all, their reputations would hang upon it. Unlike Qantas management.
The pertinent questions are these -
• In a scientific study; Why would there be anyone allowed anywhere near the control subjects, other than the researchers ?
• why would you pack the aircraft with journalists and management if you were serious about a real analysis of fatigue ?
This is a media objective and a luxury press junket, designed to achieve a positive industrial goal. No serious scientist would associate themselves with this as research or an experiment.
If that’s untrue; I ask Qantas Flight Ops to invite the major scientific institutions of Australia to publish their findings in the appropriate scientific journals. I’ll wait.
Qantas is going to be waiting a long tine before a serious scientist, with a PHD behind their name signs ‘the study’. After all, their reputations would hang upon it. Unlike Qantas management.
• In a scientific study; Why would there be anyone allowed anywhere near the control subjects, other than the researchers ?
• why would you pack the aircraft with journalists and management if you were serious about a real analysis of fatigue ?
This is a media objective and a luxury press junket, designed to achieve a positive industrial goal. No serious scientist would associate themselves with this as research or an experiment.
If that’s untrue; I ask Qantas Flight Ops to invite the major scientific institutions of Australia to publish their findings in the appropriate scientific journals. I’ll wait.
Qantas is going to be waiting a long tine before a serious scientist, with a PHD behind their name signs ‘the study’. After all, their reputations would hang upon it. Unlike Qantas management.
It may come as a shock but pilots actually have to Land the jet at the end of a shockingly long sector.
I would suggest a decision has already been made. But lets just continue the hype for now. Any publicity is good publicity. The data they collect during these proving flights will probably be used against the pilots during future EBA discussions! eg. reducing crew complements or a general increase in tour of duty times to all fleets.
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I ask Qantas Flight Ops to invite the major scientific institutions of Australia to publish their findings in the appropriate scientific journals.
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To your point, maybe a lowly C journal? The point being that Qantas have locked these "research results" up very tightly in contracts. They are a consulting project and the difference between peer accepted scientific research and this rubbish is night to day...
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Qantas is going to be waiting a long tine before a serious scientist, with a PHD behind their name signs ‘the study’. After all, their reputations would hang upon it. Unlike Qantas management.
Qantas paid for it, so it is tightly controlled.
To be considered as fit for publication a study needs to be peer reviewed as T-Vasis referred to previously.
To be peer reviewed it must meet threshold benchmarks.
For a scientific study it requires a large sample, repeat observations and also must be of sufficient duration to be able to draw anything meaningful from "conclusions"
This would not get even close.
- Three flights
- 40 Passengers (all handpicked of course-Like Stream Lead former AIPA President and hack journalists)
- Hand picked "management approved" pilots
- On an aircraft that actually isn't doing the day to day operation.
Just a paid consulting project for compromised academics providing another junket for selected AstroTurfers...
Anyone would think this project was a manned mission to mars!
It is 2 hours longer than current longest sector, it is what? 3/4 hours longer than current QF longest sector...
I am all for Ts and Cs and crew compliment, however it really is not that complex... Or is it?
Yes I keep saying SQ, why? The did it for years in the 340!
It is 2 hours longer than current longest sector, it is what? 3/4 hours longer than current QF longest sector...
I am all for Ts and Cs and crew compliment, however it really is not that complex... Or is it?
Yes I keep saying SQ, why? The did it for years in the 340!
Anyone would think this project was a manned mission to mars!
It is 2 hours longer than current longest sector, it is what? 3/4 hours longer than current QF longest sector...
I am all for Ts and Cs and crew compliment, however it really is not that complex... Or is it?
Yes I keep saying SQ, why? The did it for years in the 340!
It is 2 hours longer than current longest sector, it is what? 3/4 hours longer than current QF longest sector...
I am all for Ts and Cs and crew compliment, however it really is not that complex... Or is it?
Yes I keep saying SQ, why? The did it for years in the 340!
The same CASA lobbied to not endorse 330/350 common rating...............
Or so I heard
Anyone would think this project was a manned mission to mars!
It is 2 hours longer than current longest sector, it is what? 3/4 hours longer than current QF longest sector...
I am all for Ts and Cs and crew compliment, however it really is not that complex... Or is it?
Yes I keep saying SQ, why? The did it for years in the 340!
It is 2 hours longer than current longest sector, it is what? 3/4 hours longer than current QF longest sector...
I am all for Ts and Cs and crew compliment, however it really is not that complex... Or is it?
Yes I keep saying SQ, why? The did it for years in the 340!
Did/do SQ not do it with Two Captains and Two F/Os, not S/Os?
In that case it’s not complex at all. Heavy crews for Sched duty greater than 18.5, That sounds much more favorable!
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QF JFK-SYD nonstop
World’s longest non-stop flight from US to Australia ready for take-off
https://www.rt.com/business/471228-worlds-longest-non-stop-flight/
Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
https://www.rt.com/business/471228-worlds-longest-non-stop-flight/
Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
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World’s longest non-stop flight from US to Australia ready for take-off
https://www.rt.com/business/471228-w...n-stop-flight/
Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
https://www.rt.com/business/471228-w...n-stop-flight/
Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
The World’s Longest Direct Flight Takes Off—Clocking In At Nearly 20 Hours
I'm not sure whether any of the guinea-pig employees are consigned to 20 hours in coach seats:
With the time-zone change clocking in at 15 hours between Sydney and New York, Qantas isn’t yet selling tickets for this direct flight.Instead, 40 crew members will be embarking on the journey—departing JFK on Friday night and landing in Sydney on its Sunday morning—to assess behaviours such as how much they move around the cabin, what they eat and how much they sleep, before the airline aims to launch the flights commercially in 2022.
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World’s longest non-stop flight from US to Australia ready for take-off
https://www.rt.com/business/471228-w...n-stop-flight/
Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
https://www.rt.com/business/471228-w...n-stop-flight/
Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
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Singapore Airlines have 2 CPT and 2 FOs
SIN/EWR is 18.5 hours.
LHR to SYD is 21.5
It’s an extra 3 hours.
How far do you keep adding on 3 hours and saying that’s ok?
You could say that 24.5 hours flight time is only 3 hours more. 28.5 hours is only 3 more again. Poor argument.
Singapore Airlines flies a lot of short range flying also. Less than 5% of A350 flying is ULR, Qantas Sunrise is 100% ULR.
I know your a Qantas angel or management. It must really upset you that Sunrise must be approved by proper Science. Will also need AIPA approval. Operating one sector of a pattern with 20 people on board getting special catering on their one trip out of the office isn’t science. It’s a PR show.
A guy who you heard saying its not too bad or justifying that’s it’s ok because it’s only 3 hours more than what Singapore flies seems to be your only line that you keep repeating.
PR flights flying only One direct sector with 20 pax and special catering are not science. It’s channel 7 breakfast TV worthy. Nothing more.
SIN/EWR is 18.5 hours.
LHR to SYD is 21.5
It’s an extra 3 hours.
How far do you keep adding on 3 hours and saying that’s ok?
You could say that 24.5 hours flight time is only 3 hours more. 28.5 hours is only 3 more again. Poor argument.
Singapore Airlines flies a lot of short range flying also. Less than 5% of A350 flying is ULR, Qantas Sunrise is 100% ULR.
I know your a Qantas angel or management. It must really upset you that Sunrise must be approved by proper Science. Will also need AIPA approval. Operating one sector of a pattern with 20 people on board getting special catering on their one trip out of the office isn’t science. It’s a PR show.
A guy who you heard saying its not too bad or justifying that’s it’s ok because it’s only 3 hours more than what Singapore flies seems to be your only line that you keep repeating.
PR flights flying only One direct sector with 20 pax and special catering are not science. It’s channel 7 breakfast TV worthy. Nothing more.
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There are only 50 people on board including crew. Media are reporting only 20.
Passengers and crew have special food and drinks catered on board and the passengers are restricted from drinking alcohol so the data shows them sleeping more. They are being put to sleep at optimum times and woken up accordingly. No babies or children are carried to make it realistic.
The Flight crew are only operating one of the direct sectors having deadheaded to JFK in business class two days prior.
Pilots selected by management. No crew will operate more than one single sector for the data.Only 3 flights are taking place prior to implementing.
It is also the shortest of all the sectors Qantas are proposing. The longest being Sydney direct to London.
Passengers and crew have special food and drinks catered on board and the passengers are restricted from drinking alcohol so the data shows them sleeping more. They are being put to sleep at optimum times and woken up accordingly. No babies or children are carried to make it realistic.
The Flight crew are only operating one of the direct sectors having deadheaded to JFK in business class two days prior.
Pilots selected by management. No crew will operate more than one single sector for the data.Only 3 flights are taking place prior to implementing.
It is also the shortest of all the sectors Qantas are proposing. The longest being Sydney direct to London.
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