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Old 5th Oct 2019, 02:08
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additional 787 for 747 capacity replacement on J/BURG etc, as possibly A330 replacement.
787 won’t be going to Johannesburg, unless it’s coming back via Perth. It simply can’t uplift the payload out of Johannesburg.

I doubt the 787 is a viable A330 replacement unless the company can get the pilots to kill night credits, or come up with an alternative LH vs MH pay rate or something along those lines.

Either they’ve realised the 787 contract is too expensive to fly MH or they knew it a few years ago and bull****ted about the planned flying to get the pilots to sign on. Either way, reality has struck them and now they want the job done for less if the 787 is to start flying to Asia as a 330 replacement.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 02:17
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787 won’t be going to Johannesburg, unless it’s coming back via Perth. It simply can’t uplift the payload out of Johannesburg.

I doubt the 787 is a viable A330 replacement unless the company can get the pilots to kill night credits, or come up with an alternative LH vs MH pay rate or something along those lines.

Either they’ve realised the 787 contract is too expensive to fly MH or they knew it a few years ago and bull****ted about the planned flying to get the pilots to sign on. Either way, reality has struck them and now they want the job done for less if the 787 is to start flying to Asia as a 330 replacement.
Yep, they have already asked for night credit cancellation, and a B scale for new join B787 S/o's. Considering the reliability of A330 on DOM operations, they should be looking at replacement now...but.
What replaces the 74 on Jburg? A330 ex Perth? A380 as an interim? Redeploy the A380 currently on Dallas to Jburg and replace that with a 787?
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 03:37
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Word is the 330 (or another large twin) out of Perth is back on the table.

Supposedly there are issues around 380 fire suppression times which prevent it going direct. 747 continues to operate under a grandfathered exemption.

Nothing to to do with ‘Sunrise’ but it all feeds in to the broader discussion around night credits etc. Not sure what a S/O B scale would look like. I thought the 787 contract was B scale enough for S/Os.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 04:48
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B scale SO is the 787 rate with no overtime for all new hires regardless of the aircraft they are recruited onto including the 330 and 380.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 07:50
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Night credits for duties with 3 or 4 crew are a joke. Get with the times. You’re asleep for a decent chunk of the flight and still getting paid the whole time.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 07:59
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Bug smasher giving another IR masterclass.

Night credits are very much ‘with the times’ when they have been ratified by FW just a few years ago.
Something to trade? Maybe. Something to give up? Only when you don’t have them in your award I guess.

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Old 5th Oct 2019, 08:00
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Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher
Night credits for duties with 3 or 4 crew are a joke. Get with the times. You’re asleep for a decent chunk of the flight and still getting paid the whole time.
Unless I’m asleep in MY bed - I’d better be getting paid.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 09:36
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Taking the step back and observing the rantings of Little Napoleon in the Murdoch rag is interesting.
Ever keen to deflect the blame one problem keeps presenting: Qantas need a new fleet.

Whether it is issues of legacy on the 747 and fire suppression, the aging A330 fleet, which as many are aware will be increasing maintenance intensive, the horrible operating economics of the the A380 or indeed the 787; insufficient in number and perhaps dimension to do what they really need it to do, Qantas need strategic thinking.
Little Napoleon has had over a decade to provide strategy, provide a vision and drive the business in that direction.

That he prefers self enrichment, social discourse, virtue signalling and internal wars with the staff does not absolve the business of the need for fleet.
A taxi operator can sweat the fleet, not maintain them and bank the profits (or in this case buy back shares) but ultimately the capital needs replacing.

Every day delayed, every month postponed the problem grows. Perhaps they have actually purchased an aircraft and given the success last time with the 787 tried it again...
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 09:39
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
If it actually plays out like that then it will probably be the biggest hospital pass in Australian Corporate history. The next CEO is going to wear a lifetime of Capex and rebuilding with basically all the assets sold off.
Precisely Neville.

Ponder a 747 and A380 replacement
Ponder an A330 replacement
Ponder a 737 replacement.

AUD $10 to $20 billion? It is a big ask.

From a governance perspective one might ponder what Goyder is doing other than selecting wines for First Class?
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 11:14
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
787 won’t be going to Johannesburg, unless it’s coming back via Perth. It simply can’t uplift the payload out of Johannesburg.
How do you come to this conclusion? The 787 can uplift 230-235 ton out of JB. This produces a viable payload to the east coast.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 11:21
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I think the Qantas pilots who flew the Catalinas and later Liberators on 16-24 hour flights with no nav other than the stars and a navigator would turn in their graves if they read some of the drivel here...
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 11:35
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
I think the Qantas pilots who flew the Catalinas and later Liberators on 16-24 hour flights with no nav other than the stars and a navigator would turn in their graves if they read some of the drivel here...
They did it short term to achieve a wartime objective.

They didn’t do it as a career long term.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 12:39
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I don't expect that the only sectors you'll do are theses ultra-long range flights with comfy rest areas and great meals and time off in a 4-5 star hotel. The 'greatest generation' didn't expect to be pampered..
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 16:03
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
I don't expect that the only sectors you'll do are theses ultra-long range flights with comfy rest areas and great meals and time off in a 4-5 star hotel. The 'greatest generation' didn't expect to be pampered..
We lived in a hole in the road...
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 21:03
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They also retired at 45.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 21:24
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Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher
They also retired at 45.
And had to start another career or business to put bread on the table.
Retiring at 45 was no great achievement.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 21:32
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Why not push for that in the negotiations then? Only fly ULH? As I’ve said before back in the SQ 340 days that’s all they did.

44/46 hour block return. What was it someone said you have 6 week blocks?

Fly 3 times per block or what 5 day patterns approx, 15 days out of 40?



Then you’ll be on here, we don’t get to land enough.....
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 21:32
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And had to start another career or business to put bread on the table.
Retiring at 45 was no great achievement.
Do you know that for a fact? Or are you talking through your bum like your mate TBM?

To compare what is being proposed to Lancaster’s etc is so laughable it doesn’t warrant a response other than to say you idiot.

The Qantas Ángels are really going to struggle to make the pilots look bad on this one. Particularly when it is being pushed by a bloke who has taken in excess of $90 million during his time in Qantas. The tide is turning against the greedy and privileged. The average joe is at the stage of opening the window and shouting “I’m mad as hell, and I am not going to take it anymore”.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 00:01
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The average joe
Doesn't give a sh*t. He thinks Pilot's are over paid. He thinks Joyce is over paid (if he even knows that). But he doesn't care. He just wants affordable airfares to where he wants to go. He will listen more to Joyce's "We tried to do something great and world changing, and the pilot's stopped us" spin than the pilot's "The company is trying to rip us off" spin.

The Qantas Ángels are really going to struggle to make the pilots look bad on this one
Qantas's PR and their mates in the media can (and will) make any one they want look bad.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 00:09
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
Doesn't give a sh*t. He thinks Pilot's are over paid. He thinks Joyce is over paid (if he even knows that). But he doesn't care. He just wants affordable airfares to where he wants to go. He will listen more to Joyce's "We tried to do something great and world changing, and the pilot's stopped us" spin than the pilot's "The company is trying to rip us off" spin.



Qantas's PR and their mates in the media can (and will) make any one they want look bad.
1000000000000% correct!
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