Project Sunrise
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He’s trying it on. Last time they ordered more, they got a “comfort” letter about Jetconnect. There is no boogie man this time, so they are trying it on again. Thankfully no one is biting.
They will order planes irrespective of the T&C’s of the pilots. They just managed to prove to everyone that they will never do anything in good faith. It’s now confirmed, adjust your behaviour accordingly. Might see if I can buy into a fuel company in the Pilbara. I think that email just increased their revenue by at least 300%.
They will order planes irrespective of the T&C’s of the pilots. They just managed to prove to everyone that they will never do anything in good faith. It’s now confirmed, adjust your behaviour accordingly. Might see if I can buy into a fuel company in the Pilbara. I think that email just increased their revenue by at least 300%.
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82% were sold something that (way out of their depth) negotiators decided people wanted, from a union with zero strategy.
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I was told that the stated opening position of Qantas was that they wanted Project Publicity at B787 rates MINUS 10%....."quantum of productivity improvements" indeed.
Let the beatings continue until moral improves.
Hopefully tomorrow's SH EBA Vote results will be a fair indicator to the company what we think of this.
Let the beatings continue until moral improves.
Hopefully tomorrow's SH EBA Vote results will be a fair indicator to the company what we think of this.
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I like the concept and the maths!
However, having done SYD-LAX, SYD- ARG, SYD-SCL, SIN-LON as well as DFW in various configurations as an S/O, F/O and Capt on different Long-Haul fleets, is the potential problem if one or two Pilots don’t get to sleep when prescribed!
Looking at the diurnal variation from any start point that’s a possibility in Project Sunrise. Having witnessed the reality in different ranks, I know the probability in historic and current Long-Haul Flight Operations!
The effect when a Pilots out-of-synch (no ability to sleep) on the rest of the Flight Crew can be uncomforting to say the very least. How that transcribes inside a 24hr TOD could be harmful.
Not detracting from your viewpoint at all, however perhaps Risk Mitigation (at least in the short-term) maybe better prescribed with Six Pilots (Watch Qantas Scream!) until the Pilot Group and Safety Experts have enough Scientific and Operational Data to re-evaluate the exact requirements!
However, having done SYD-LAX, SYD- ARG, SYD-SCL, SIN-LON as well as DFW in various configurations as an S/O, F/O and Capt on different Long-Haul fleets, is the potential problem if one or two Pilots don’t get to sleep when prescribed!
Looking at the diurnal variation from any start point that’s a possibility in Project Sunrise. Having witnessed the reality in different ranks, I know the probability in historic and current Long-Haul Flight Operations!
The effect when a Pilots out-of-synch (no ability to sleep) on the rest of the Flight Crew can be uncomforting to say the very least. How that transcribes inside a 24hr TOD could be harmful.
Not detracting from your viewpoint at all, however perhaps Risk Mitigation (at least in the short-term) maybe better prescribed with Six Pilots (Watch Qantas Scream!) until the Pilot Group and Safety Experts have enough Scientific and Operational Data to re-evaluate the exact requirements!
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Even 6 pilots would be less then the 7 it currently takes to get the QF1 from Sydney to London every day.
Just trying to figure a way where company and pilots win re only operating with 4 and still be reasonably cost effective.
Hopefully somewhere during the 11 or 13 hour break in the my 5 crew scenario above the Landing Cpt and Fo would manage to get enough sleep to be safe at the end.
Having done a lot of ULR both at Qantas and Emirates I found it worked quite well at EK when before a duty you knew which break you would be on and be rested accordingly as opposed to Qf where you usually don’t. Yes didn’t always manage to sleep but it gave me the best chance. If Sunrise goes ahead then I think something similar would be necessary.
Cheers.
Short haul EBA voted down 68 to 32, how good is that. Congratulations to all who voted against it.
I look forward to the company email... 
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A certain up and coming CEO at the Flying Kangaroo, in timing that could be construed to be exceptionally poor, launches a missive at the Pilot group and by his own words manages to do what AIPA, QPA, or the Pilot group itself has not done for decades, and that is, uniting the Pilots in a common industrial cause's against a common industrial adversary.
Well done TLS exceptional work!
It has since been clarified that the vote was 68% v 32%, assuming it was from a traditional voter participation.
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What a pathetic result! By my estimate the eligible voters should be in the order of 400 +/-.
100 voted. What does the other 300 think? Don’t they care? Are they to scared to vote? Don’t want to put their hand up to be counted in one camp or the other. I know the system says the EBA was voted down but it it far from a decisive victory for all those who are purporting it was a dud deal.
Talk about sending a message.........NOT!
Thats 68 percent mate. A lot more than 400 voted
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"Any agreement needs to recognise the importance of the pilots’ role in the business, balance risk and reward while acknowledging the impact work has on home life"
It will be interesting to observe the developments next by Qantas Corporate and Qantas H.R. in consideration of recent timelines forwarded for Project Sunrise.
Will AIPA place Project Sunrise negotiations on hold pending discussions to ratify an acceptable Short Haul E.A in line with the philosophy above?
Given resources/resourcing and a pending AIPA election, I suspect that the industrial machinations and whole environment may be very interesting towards the end of the year.
It will be interesting to observe the developments next by Qantas Corporate and Qantas H.R. in consideration of recent timelines forwarded for Project Sunrise.
Will AIPA place Project Sunrise negotiations on hold pending discussions to ratify an acceptable Short Haul E.A in line with the philosophy above?
Given resources/resourcing and a pending AIPA election, I suspect that the industrial machinations and whole environment may be very interesting towards the end of the year.
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"Any agreement needs to recognise the importance of the pilots’ role in the business, balance risk and reward while acknowledging the impact work has on home life"
It will be interesting to observe the developments next by Qantas Corporate and Qantas H.R. in consideration of recent timelines forwarded for Project Sunrise.
Will AIPA place Project Sunrise negotiations on hold pending discussions to ratify an acceptable Short Haul E.A in line with the philosophy above?
Given resources/resourcing and a pending AIPA election, I suspect that the industrial machinations and whole environment may be very interesting towards the end of the year.
It will be interesting to observe the developments next by Qantas Corporate and Qantas H.R. in consideration of recent timelines forwarded for Project Sunrise.
Will AIPA place Project Sunrise negotiations on hold pending discussions to ratify an acceptable Short Haul E.A in line with the philosophy above?
Given resources/resourcing and a pending AIPA election, I suspect that the industrial machinations and whole environment may be very interesting towards the end of the year.
It is the same playbook. BALPA is not playing their part, not responding to the punitive threats, largely leveled at their leadership (like staff travel bans) rather the membership has driven the union to action.
The problem for that playbook is that is relies on all stakeholders doing their part.
The Stream Lead has driven much of the narrative. Perhaps his value is diminished if the outcome is no longer assured?
That the union dynamics will change, introduces asymmetry and for once the grub Oldmeadow doesn't have it.
Having written that, perhaps the obvious play from IR is a rushed re-packaging in order to push a deal over the line at 50% plus one vote..
Interesting times