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Old 5th Mar 2020, 22:53
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A yes vote is almost certainly assured by circumstances beyond anyone's control. The world will look very different on the other side of this event horizon.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:11
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Would you vote yes without an iron clad guarantee that those aircraft are coming regardless? I wouldn’t because quite simply you can lose what we have and not even get the 350s.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:36
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QF shares are now below $5.00. 10 weeks ago they were just shy of $7.50. And this is after a share buy back. Elaine is losing millions.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:44
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:49
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Would you vote yes without an iron clad guarantee that those aircraft are coming regardless? I wouldn’t because quite simply you can lose what we have and not even get the 350s.
Iron clad guarantee? Never going to happen, the days of companies creating future ongoing liabilities are long gone. Everyone is rolling the dice all the time. Risk has been exported from companies to employees. The only guarantee you are going to get is the hours in the logbook in the P1 column to sell skills on the world market.

Pilots who sat back and enjoyed the lifestyle at the expense of professional development will face significantly more risk than those invested in their own development and have their own form of guarantee. You have to make your own luck.
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Via DRW? That’d be silly. Why not go via PER where you already have people, bases, procedures and processes.

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Perth Airports would probably screw it up!
Even though it would be a bonanza for WA tourism!
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:57
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380 via Darwin!

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380s via Perth!
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 00:02
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A little birdie. I can think of 2 reasons why via DRW. 1. It is shorter. 2. QF do not want to add any frequencies ex PER due to the ongoing dispute re airport charges.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 00:29
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With the downturn in air travel you’d think that would be a good carrot to dangle at Perth Airports?
We will increase frequency through Perth if you come to an agreement?
Why not use the situation to your advantage?
They're good at doing that with staff.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 01:05
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Would you vote yes without an iron clad guarantee that those aircraft are coming regardless? I wouldn’t because quite simply you can lose what we have and not even get the 350s.
Have I missed something? If we get no aircraft don’t all the A330 crew remain on the current A330 conditions (AFDP Night Credits etc)? Won’t the new pay scale only apply to crew that are A330/350?
Of course future new hire’s will still go onto the new scale but at this rate we might not be hiring anyone for a while.

Perhaps I have missed some vital piece of information in the comprehensive explanatory document from AIPA.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 01:09
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PARIS, March 5 – European planemaker Airbus failed to win any new aircraft orders in February, it said on Thursday, providing further evidence of disruption across aviation industries from the global coronavirus outbreak.
https://infosurhoy.com/news/airbus-d...after-boeings/


What are the chances that Qantas will delay ordering A350s, with the announcement to be delayed until after the vote is taken?



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Old 6th Mar 2020, 01:12
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Originally Posted by bythenumbers
Have I missed something? If we get no aircraft don’t all the A330 crew remain on the current A330 conditions (AFDP Night Credits etc)? Won’t the new pay scale only apply to crew that are A330/350?
Of course future new hire’s will still go onto the new scale but at this rate we might not be hiring anyone for a while.

Perhaps I have missed some vital piece of information in the comprehensive explanatory document from AIPA.
No, you’re right. Plus 3%.
Also if they replace the 350 on a 330 route, you get 744 rates.
Night credits and AFDP’s stay the same for 2/3 pilot ops.
Some though want you to believe otherwise!
The company have put their ego on the line with this.
Now it appears others are doing the same!
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 01:17
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No, you’re right. Plus 3%.
Also if they replace the 350 on a 330 route, you get 744 rates.
Night credits and AFDP’s stay the same.
Some though want you to believe otherwise!
The company have put their ego on the line with this.
Now it appears others are doing the same!
Can you please explain to me how that is so, I’m not been a smart arse but would like to know. Thanks
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Can you please explain to me how that is so, I’m not been a smart arse but would like to know. Thanks
Its all detailed in the literature.
Not being smart either but just have a read.
In fact wait for the final document.
Should be out soon.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 01:24
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The companies or AIPAs
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 01:29
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Both.
When the final document comes out have a read for yourself.
I think it’s very soon.
Better be!
Have a look at the sample rosters in the company slideshow.
Look at the pattern credits for a normal 330 trip such as a three day S/E Asian trip.
Pattern credits for MVF are the same as 330 now as night credits are the same.
If you opted in and they replaced same trip with a 350 then your new 744 hourly rate would also apply.

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Have a look at the bold in page 4 of the company document emailed today.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 03:04
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Well the latest email from AIPA makes it quite clear.

They’re not happy with how it has happened, but it’s pretty obvious that outsourcing will happen if a No vote occurs. Any external contact is likely to be inferior to what’s being offered at the moment in both pay and conditions.


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QF to cancel and amend services; equivalent to grounding up to 25 aircraft.
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