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Next eba after a yes vote will be another ultimatum and so on.
While there are good reasons to support a no vote, I don’t think that this in itself is one of them.
Yet you believe by voting YES you somehow guarantee the sunrise flying ....based on what??? The company mentioned it in a webinar? They will never put that guarantee in writing.
And what good is a seat at the table with a gun to your head? Sign or else.
How is that going to work next eba?
That’s my main point, at some stage you will have to take a stand.
It’s not palatable, it’s not easy but voting YES guarantees NOTHING except what’s written in the eba doc AND more of the same treatment every eba.
And what good is a seat at the table with a gun to your head? Sign or else.
How is that going to work next eba?
That’s my main point, at some stage you will have to take a stand.
It’s not palatable, it’s not easy but voting YES guarantees NOTHING except what’s written in the eba doc AND more of the same treatment every eba.
Righteousness?
Solidarity?
What exactly?
What QF are doing now is no different to what they’ve been doing for years.
The difference this time is the threat is blatant! Straight up mainline flying contracted out!
Nothing else has changed.
The law hasn’t changed. The environment is the same. So what makes you think a stand now will change anything? The company won’t guarantee anything because this is their long standing approach.
If you think a no vote will change anything then good luck!
All a no vote will do is accelerate the flying out the window!
How about we all resign?
That’ll show’em!
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Yet you believe by voting YES you somehow guarantee the sunrise flying ....based on what??? The company mentioned it in a webinar? They will never put that guarantee in writing.
And what good is a seat at the table with a gun to your head? Sign or else.
How is that going to work next eba?
That’s my main point, at some stage you will have to take a stand.
It’s not palatable, it’s not easy but voting YES guarantees NOTHING except what’s written in the eba doc AND more of the same treatment every eba.
And what good is a seat at the table with a gun to your head? Sign or else.
How is that going to work next eba?
That’s my main point, at some stage you will have to take a stand.
It’s not palatable, it’s not easy but voting YES guarantees NOTHING except what’s written in the eba doc AND more of the same treatment every eba.
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This is exactly right. But also, next EBA after a no vote will also be another ultimatum and so on. That’s just the nature of the creatures we’re dealing with.
While there are good reasons to support a no vote, I don’t think that this in itself is one of them.
While there are good reasons to support a no vote, I don’t think that this in itself is one of them.
But don’t let skepticism overcome logic and reasoning because these pricks have already thought of that. Look at the facts, even if you don’t like them.
If our decision becomes emotionally charged they win.
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A stand for what?
Righteousness?
Solidarity?
What exactly?
What QF are doing now is no different to what they’ve been doing for years.
The difference this time is the threat is blatant! Straight up mainline flying contracted out!
Nothing else has changed.
The law hasn’t changed. The environment is the same. So what makes you think a stand now will change anything? The company won’t guarantee anything because this is their long standing approach.
If you think a no vote will change anything then good luck!
All a no vote will do is accelerate the flying out the window!
How about we all resign?
That’ll show’em!
Righteousness?
Solidarity?
What exactly?
What QF are doing now is no different to what they’ve been doing for years.
The difference this time is the threat is blatant! Straight up mainline flying contracted out!
Nothing else has changed.
The law hasn’t changed. The environment is the same. So what makes you think a stand now will change anything? The company won’t guarantee anything because this is their long standing approach.
If you think a no vote will change anything then good luck!
All a no vote will do is accelerate the flying out the window!
How about we all resign?
That’ll show’em!
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I want to take a stand to stop the erosion of our work conditions. At some stage the pay and conditions dictated by QF management each EBA will be bad enough that even you will say NO... it’s just a matter of time. There will come a time when people WILL resign because the job is just too onerous or unhealthy or both.
How far do you see the erosion of our conditions once a new entity is setup, and is constantly undercutting us at every EBA renewal?
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Fact: If you vote NO the EBA negotiation process continues.
I’m not trying to scare anyone, quite the opposite.
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And what good is a seat at the table with a gun to your head? Sign or else.
How is that going to work next eba?
How is that going to work next eba?
If I am to vote No,I’d like to see AIPA publish a credible pathway forward, outlined both legally and industrially, assuring me that the LHEA will not be consigned to irrelevance as we have missed our chance at having these new aircraft incorporated into our Agreement.
If they cant/won’t/or simply don’t have an answer for that, in mangaging the presented risk and potential outcomes, there’s only one way I can vote.
Normanton and all the other “definite YES! voters” - Have a read of Post #1657 in LHEA 10 on Qrewroom by WM.
There’s some food for thought.
There’s some food for thought.
I want to take a stand to stop the erosion of our work conditions. At some stage the pay and conditions dictated by QF management each EBA will be bad enough that even you will say NO... it’s just a matter of time. There will come a time when people WILL resign because the job is just too onerous or unhealthy or both.
I share that with you!
Vote no if you believe that and we will deal with the result.
I've seen the mob mentality before and this looks like it again.
A lot of lies are being thrown around!
Be careful!
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Seat count who knows ?which route? Do think they send a 240 seat jet to replace 500 to DFW. We will know the count when they arrive. I do know 320t take off weight as opposed to 254T. Lots more seats available . Less pay than 787 on all Asian flying, East coast Aus to west coast USA lots of routes there you can work that out for yourself. SIN-LHR . break even on Per-LHR , DFW , ORD? More on direct JFK and LHR . Added all up wouldn’t call that most. We already fly to all those destinations except ORD which starts soon. What happens to existing flying when new route starts? is it really new routes?
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Incase you haven’t noticed, there will be a ‘Gun to your head’ again regardless. A NO vote won’t change that one iota. Only there is the Risk of those negotiations being conducted with the realised threat of an actual entity now having been created to fly Qantas Wide bodies. That gun will have become far more powerful.
If I am to vote No,I’d like to see AIPA publish a credible pathway forward, outlined both legally and industrially, assuring me that the LHEA will not be consigned to irrelevance as we have missed our chance at having these new aircraft incorporated into our Agreement.
If they cant/won’t/or simply don’t have an answer for that, in mangaging the presented risk and potential outcomes, there’s only one way I can vote.
If I am to vote No,I’d like to see AIPA publish a credible pathway forward, outlined both legally and industrially, assuring me that the LHEA will not be consigned to irrelevance as we have missed our chance at having these new aircraft incorporated into our Agreement.
If they cant/won’t/or simply don’t have an answer for that, in mangaging the presented risk and potential outcomes, there’s only one way I can vote.
I agree 100% that we need some leadership AND info from AIPA ASAP.
I don’t think that’s quite right but you do highlight the diabolical choice we have to make. If we vote NO and a new entity is created they cannot transfer our flying to them without running foul of transmission of business laws. But as you say that won’t stop them from threatening us to do so.
I agree 100% that we need some leadership AND info from AIPA ASAP.
I agree 100% that we need some leadership AND info from AIPA ASAP.
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