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Old 14th Nov 2019, 01:51
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Well that would not work in NY or LA where respective CC & tech hotels are widely separated. In any case its a trivial cost in the scope of the project.
Well why donít they just stay in the same hotel?
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 03:07
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Well why donít they just stay in the same hotel?
Agree it would make sense. But thatís not how QF do it. And the staff have no control over that.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 16:25
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms View Post


Agree it would make sense. But that’s not how QF do it. And the staff have no control over that.
In passing, from a PP Thread on fuel tankering. It seems a one stop optimal route Lhr-Syd, uses less fuel and would have more pax/frt capacity than non stop.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 18:16
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But it's not a unique selling point

I believe they're running a LHR - SYD test flight today
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 20:35
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Interesting discussion -

EASA FTL and ULR flights
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 01:23
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In the reporting of the LHR~SYD on 14th/15th, I see that the UK media reports are all about "Qantas fly a nearly empty plane ..." and do not mention that it was a delivery flight that was repurposed - so they could use the delivery flight for research (and PR of course). The PR people should have emphasised the delivery more.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 02:57
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
But it's not a unique selling point

I believe they're running a LHR - SYD test flight today
https://www.snowsbest.com/qantas-london-sydney/ Crew is 1 Capt 1 FO 2 SO, shape of things to come?
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 03:17
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https://www.snowsbest.com/qantas-london-sydney/ Crew is 1 Capt 1 FO 2 SO, shape of things to come?
Yes, itís the shape of what the company wants to come to. An increase in flight deck duty time of approx 30%. IMO if they get this they will then argue down the track that you can do the same to Lax from the east coast , plus Santiago, San Francisco and Joburg so we will take one SO off.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 03:21
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" Well why donít they just stay in the same hotel? "

Todays Australian Aviation Page gives a entertaining EK crew summary and makes note of the seperate accom for QF crews
One of Baileys better writings. Worth a read
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 03:50
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Can’t we just cobble together an agreement so I can vote “no” and get on with Christmas?

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Old 15th Nov 2019, 04:03
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are we going to get an announcement on the chosen aircraft for sunrise before year end?
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 04:41
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
Canít we just cobble together an agreement so I can vote ďnoĒ and get on with Christmas?

Great idea, I for one agree.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 04:45
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Originally Posted by megle2 View Post
" Well why donít they just stay in the same hotel? "

Todays Australian Aviation Page gives a entertaining EK crew summary and makes note of the seperate accom for QF crews
One of Baileys better writings. Worth a read
The trouble is that what he writes, particularly about Qf is bulls*it.
Separate hotels to stop crew interaction is just rubbish. Separate hotels is sometimes because one hotel canít supply enough rooms but more likely to be because flt ops and cabin crew are separate departments running there own budgets so therefore cabin crew management are prepared to put their employees in lower standard hotels andor in less desirable locations for budgetary reasons.
AIPA pushes very hard to not let the standard reduce or be located in an undesirable location. Doesnít always succeed however.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 04:52
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
Canít we just cobble together an agreement so I can vote ďnoĒ and get on with Christmas?

This, please.

Although it would be shameful if aipa thought any of this was suitable to put forward.

Utter rubbish.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 10:04
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Originally Posted by f1yhigh View Post
are we going to get an announcement on the chosen aircraft for sunrise before year end?
Yes.

Which year wasn't specified.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 11:29
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Don't think I would like that length of sector with Crew Rest area as shown. At least in my company we have a crew loo, and separate compartments with a seat too. A curtain separating your colleague? not good for disturbance.
Crewing as well? One Copt. one F/O and two S/O (not qualified in RH seat for T/O and landing)
All our P2 are fully qualified for 2 crew ops. before route flying.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 12:05
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Crewing as well? One Copt. one F/O and two S/O (not qualified in RH seat for T/O and landing)
Agreed. The current crew complement, which is presumably what QF plans to fly should this become a reality, is unacceptable. You need two crew in the front seats fully rested and able to operate at their optimum at the start of the flight and you need two crew in the front seats rested as fully as possible, able to operate as best they can twenty hours later.

To suggest this should be with a Capt, FO and two SOs, neither of whom are rated for takeoff and landing is patently ridiculous. No disrespect to SOs but if this is the crewing planned, then one of the front seat pilots will be likely be less rested than one of the SOs.

Minimum should be Capt, 2 FOs and one SO. Capt gets whatever break they want, FOs sort amongst themselves to ensure one of them is fresh at the start and one at the end (however they sort it under the Captainís approval) and the SO gets whatís leftover.

Management would hate this however, as it presumably hasnít been factored in to their Ďmodelí but it is the minimum with current QF crew qualifications to ensure the front seat pilots are as fresh as possible both at the start and at the end of the flight.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 12:15
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“ better writings” “worth a read” .... you are joking, right ?
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 13:55
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Posted on the spotter forum - 52 pax out of LHR - but so early in the morning almost zero UK coverage apparently......... journo's don't get up until the pubs open

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/d...-board-report/
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 14:10
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Why aren't they doing the research flights with different crew variations to better assess which is best? (e.g NY-SYD with 1 capt 2 fos 1 so, then LHR-SYD 1 capt 1 fo 2 sos etc)

Edit: doesn't really help if it's all 1 capt 1 fo 2sos on all research flights no?
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