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Old 19th Aug 2019, 01:38
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787 could well be a replacement type for A330 but thatís probably a good few years away. With JFK/LAX/SCL/HKG itís been a good 747 replacement. More needed to replace the last 6 jumbos next year.
Plenty of deployment to USA routes that people have commented on.
Joyce said at investor briefings that the aircraft on PER-LHR commands a 40% premium in Bus and prem classes. Much less fuel and maintenance cost which is bulk of the cost.
Also said that pilot costs are 50% less than US competition. Been told itís actually between 40% and 45% less pay than competition.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 01:43
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
...and lastly cheaper pilots , I think he said a 35% increase in productivity.
I guessing you donít believe much else of what he says but you believe this???

He also said you could fly 2 787ís on a route for the same cost as 1 A380. To a degree this is what they are now doing to SFO and BNE - LAX. What does that do for pilot Ďproductivityí? (8 pilots instead of 4) What does it do for career progression and total career earning potential?

I think the truth is much more complex than a line from a man who we know enjoys spinning a few creative interpretations of the facts to the media to make himself look good.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 03:47
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You believe what you want and I will also do the same. You look at it from a company point of view but maybe you can explain to me how a SO on the 787 gets .528% of the FOs hourly rate but on the 380 it’s .778%? If that isn’t a huge win with approx 14 per aircraft then I’m lost.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 09:29
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Nope, Iím looking at it from the pilot point of view in that if you run 2 787ís in lieu of 1 A380 then you need to hire 4 more S/Oís, promote another 2 to F/O and an F/O to Captain.
Great for pilots, not great for employee productivity!
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 10:02
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And I look at it from the point of view of have they increased the international fleet? No, therefore the Captain and FO numbers are the same and in fact you are selling your wages and conditions to get some promotions. Every argument has two sides you and I will always see it differently.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 10:28
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Captain and F/O numbers are not the same at all. We are hiring pilots at a much faster rate than we are losing them. There have been increases in pilots numbers in all ranks.
We hiring new pilots and promoting existing pilots as we launch new routes and add frequency on existing routes.

You certainly can choose to look at the glass half empty but I know every new S/O I fly with is seeing it half full.

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Old 19th Aug 2019, 10:37
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They have increased yes, it’s also to cover for the VR, early retirements, medical retirements , and normal retirements which are increasing as the baby boomers reach the end of their careers,and lastly the surplus needed to build up for a new type.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 11:51
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31 Jul 14. Most junior pilot seniority 2256.
31 Jul 19. Most junior pilot seniority 2686. 285ish additional pilots. Thereís been 24 pilots employed that arenít on that seniority list (23 Jul 19, 20 Aug 19).

Thats a heck of a surplus for the new type.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 12:10
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron View Post
Nope, Iím looking at it from the pilot point of view in that if you run 2 787ís in lieu of 1 A380 then you need to hire 4 more S/Oís, promote another 2 to F/O and an F/O to Captain.
Great for pilots, not great for employee productivity!
Itís all beer and skittles whilst the music continues to play isnít it Beer Baron! Inevitably, when this game of musical chairs comes to a screeching stop, Iíll feel sorry for anyone stuck in the 787 SO seat. Just ask those 330 SOs who couldnít move for 9 years.

787 SO pay is a terrible lagacy left by those responsible.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 12:25
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Originally Posted by Dunda View Post


Itís all beer and skittles whilst the music continues to play isnít it Beer Baron! Inevitably, when this game of musical chairs comes to a screeching stop, Iíll feel sorry for anyone stuck in the 787 SO seat. Just ask those 330 SOs who couldnít move for 9 years.

787 SO pay is a terrible lagacy left by those responsible.
The whole 787 contract that will become fleet pay in the years to come followed by the loss of night credits for 3 man crew next.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 12:35
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Recent advice from a senior pilot to an A380 FO.

”Stay on that aircraft until they take it out of service”

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Old 19th Aug 2019, 12:42
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
Recent advice from a senior pilot to an A380 FO.

ĒStay on that aircraft until they take it out of serviceĒ

Then retire.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 14:52
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Originally Posted by Dunda View Post


Just ask those 330 SOs who couldnít move for 9 years.
I could be wrong, but what about those SOs who've opted and continue to stay SOs for the lifestyle? Not just 330 but 747 etc
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 20:45
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
Recent advice from a senior pilot to an A380 FO.

ĒStay on that aircraft until they take it out of serviceĒ

So he's giving himself advice?
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 21:36
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Originally Posted by maggot View Post
So he's giving himself advice?
Admittedly, itís decent advice!
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island View Post


Admittedly, itís decent advice!
Id take it but some seniority details don't allow it
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 09:27
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I think pilot numbers are based on lines of flying (number of patterns) rather than the number of aircraft. Santiago going daily in the 787 certainly will require extra crew over the 747 going 4 times a week.

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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 00:11
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Anyone here lucky enough to be doing these sectors!?

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...-to-australia/
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 00:25
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Looks like no more 787s for QF, at least not this lap of the sun.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 00:56
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Originally Posted by patty50 View Post
Looks like no more 787s for QF, at least not this lap of the sun.
True, but I don't think anyone should read anything into that. QF has fixed dates by which it has to decide whether to confirm each of its 787 options and rights. QF has consistently stated that it will make its decision when those dates fall due. So far, they've taken up all bar one of those options. From their public statements, I think that the next set of options fall due in the first half of 2020 - hence the suggestion that QF would look at further 787 orders next year, once it has made a decision on Sunrise.
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