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Qantas A321 Freighter

Old 12th Aug 2019, 23:19
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Iíve heard of A300 (767) freighters but are there any other airbus conversions to freight??
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 03:45
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Originally Posted by No Idea Either View Post
Iíve heard of A300 (767) freighters but are there any other airbus conversions to freight??
Yes, EFW (Airbus & ST Engineering JV) has done A330P2Fs and is developing the Airbus program for A320/321P2F. Precision Conversions is working on the A321PCF.

I believe both companies are putting priority on the A321 because the longer front means they run into less issues with the pitots and other probes when they punch the hole in the side. There was talk years ago of a conversion with the door at the rear for the A320, but I think that went into the too hard basket. The A321 also offers more space and payload, so makes more economic sense for most operators. With A321neos starting to hit the market, the timing may be right to pick up some suitable feedstock at the right price to make it all work.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 06:08
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Folks,
Something that did surprise me ---- the press release, published in the Sydney Morning Herald, referred to new aircraft, and the "first time" new A321 were to be delivered as freighters.
Anybody know for sure whether they are new build or a duff press release??
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 06:38
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Yes, I noticed the same thing in the SMH. However the Australian Aviation article says up to 3 aircraft with them being conversions which would seem to indicate that they are not new.
The AA article also says that the source of the aircraft is not known. Does Airbus make a new build A321 freighter or are they being converted from the pax line?

Either a lot of QF spin merchants out there who don't have a common song book or the reporters aren't listening to what is said. I suspect its the latter.

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Old 13th Aug 2019, 06:55
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Mate at Jetstar advises first one is sourced externally, and already booked in for conversion next year, other two will be VWY and VWZ
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 08:29
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Are these the ones with the new front cabin door?
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 08:57
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Thanks ebt
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 09:08
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
Are these the ones with the new front cabin door?
What in the world is that? All 320ís/321ís have the same front door to my knowledge.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 09:22
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The ST Aerospace design moved the front door forward to gain more cargo space. Interesting area to cut through.

https://images.app.goo.gl/gPrVuVx61vWZjPts5
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
The ST Aerospace design moved the front door forward to gain more cargo space. Interesting area to cut through.

https://images.app.goo.gl/gPrVuVx61vWZjPts5
Step over the dunny to get in. Sweet.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 20:37
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  • All-new generation A330P2F and A320/A321P2F conversions to enter market from 2017 until 2019
I have only just seen some of the Boeing 737NG P2F conversions come online. Interesting to see QF is actually going to be the launch customer for the A321F. Wow is AJ feeling ok? Also is this his first new aircraft order placed as a CEO?
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 23:13
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...rframe-460354/

maybe weíre not getting rid of WZ so quickly after all
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 23:20
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Ohhh MSN 835 will be such a nice airframe
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 01:54
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Oooops, I see it was operated by Onur for a while.
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 02:43
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Didnít the original 2 321s come from Onur as well? Theyíd been parked up in storage and cost an absolute fortune to get up to spec and somewhat reliable?

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Old 20th Aug 2019, 04:43
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They were ex Spirit. Corroded comets.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 08:56
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It is ok. Most of us engineers have seen this before. Airline A,B or C buys some 2nd hand plane, overhaul it and bring it to Australia. Then it comes down to the line maintenance team to fix it up properly and then management say oh Line maintenance is too expensive, we can't afford to give you a pay rise or there is the door with a redundancy.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 12:19
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Ohhh MSN 835 will be such a nice airframe
My airline operates MSN 59 and 20+ others under MSN 500. They're fine machines. All about how well they've been taken care of.
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