Disruptive Passenger
Quite agree but they also don't want to be disturbed by crying babies, smelly hippies, overweight people in the middle seat, amorous couples who can't leave each other alone. They also don't want to go into a toilet where the previous occupant has smeared their poo all over the walls or sit in seats that someone has left chewing gum on. If they're disabled they don't want to be hoisted on a rickety lifting device or manhandled onto a narrow airline weelchair or told they have to return to their port of embarkation because there are only stairs available to get them off. If you want travel perfection then you need to charter your own corporate jet otherwise we all have to cope with the inconveniences of mass public airline travel.
Elementary, my dear Duck.
I did say something to the Cabin Crew Morno without making an issue of it.
I’m no expert on human behaviour, however the behaviour was nothing I have ever seen anywhere let alone on an aeroplane. Having said that I was confident that she would have been able to be controlled should things have gotten out of hand considering the other passengers seated near her.
I’m no expert on human behaviour, however the behaviour was nothing I have ever seen anywhere let alone on an aeroplane. Having said that I was confident that she would have been able to be controlled should things have gotten out of hand considering the other passengers seated near her.
I once questioned why we had to fold tray tables and sit upright in the wee hours of the morning just after TOPD
What about something that is reasonable and manageable taking into account the comfort of all involved.
The PA announcements are the same as the seventies - we have the weather now on phones and do not care on the altitude just make it smooth. Just make a recording, we do not listen anyway.
Sounds like you’ve got sensitive egos. The decision was made to prepare the cabin and what......you thought you were so important that you’d question it.......in flight.....to someone who is just trying to do their job....? They’re probably tired and busy and have lots of other people to check.
Are you sure you’re not ‘that guy’ ?
Thats even funnier cause I used to work in the cabin 
Are you sure you’re not ‘that guy’ ?
You think the GOD up front has ever spent a single day to see or know what the CC do on a flight - to many economy is a dirty word and never to be entered.
Sounds like you’ve got sensitive egos. The decision was made to prepare the cabin and what......you thought you were so important that you’d question it.......in flight.....to someone who is just trying to do their job....? They’re probably tired and busy and have lots of other people to check.
Thats even funnier cause I used to work in the cabin
Thats even funnier cause I used to work in the cabin
Somehow, they got it into their tiny minds that pax are their slaves, because they're responsible for their safety, and what they want is secondary to their comfort. Yes, I thought I was so important, being a paying customer whose patronage ensures they remain employed, that I dared to question them about why they needed to disrupt pax so early prior to landing. The requirement to stow tray tables and have seat backs upright is based on the flawed assumption that people won't be able to exit their seats in an emergency, and that would only be useful in an emergency. Even having seat belts fastened is unnecessary if the pilots don't crash, so I was interested to see if the CC actually knew why they did things, or whether they've simply been indoctrinated without any rational basis for their actions. Years ago, when a plane landed safely, they used to say "Once again, skill and science has triumphed over ignorance and superstition". This behaviour indicates a regression back to superstition and ignorance, and that has a long term corrosive effect on society in general. In simple terms, any society or business founded on flawed thinking can't last, so you could say I was doing my bit to correct their thinking, and thereby ensure their long term safety. Unfortunately, the small-minded wouldn't see it that way, and usually have to learn the hard way, through bitter experience.
BTW, the God up front would only be courting conflict with the drama queens in cabin if they dared to observe the way their pax were being treated, so it's logical they'd avoid it like the plague. If you can fly like an eagle, why would you willingly choose to associate with turkeys?
Correct, deja vu. Cabin crew have been transformed from customer servants into masters by convincing them their primary role is pax safety, as if that is more important than pax service. Both are equally important, and should complement each other to ensure the viability of the air service is maintained.
And yet, if the pilots were a bit hard on the brakes and you found yourself up against the bulkhead because "seatbelts are unnecessary", you'd surely be calling out the CC for not making you fasten it. Your posts certainly indicate that you are "that" kind of passenger.
And yet, if the pilots were a bit hard on the brakes and you found yourself up against the bulkhead because "seatbelts are unnecessary", you'd surely be calling out the CC for not making you fasten it. Your posts certainly indicate that you are "that" kind of passenger.
Oh dear....
if there were more pax who can’t cope when given instruction travel would be less pleasant that’s for sure. Who are the bastards you refer to? The cabin crew who turn up to do an honest days work?
if there were more of "that kind of pax" keeping the bastards honest, the rest wouldn't have to deal with their petty power trips,
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I used to work with someone who fried his brain on marijuana. He was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, however his behaviour did not represent that as above exactly. He was more into explosive outbursts at himself.
He went on to assault flight crew, attempt to hijack a Qantas Jet by torching the pilots with zippo lighter fluid bottles and a lighter, in order to crash the aircraft into the Walls of Jerasulem national park, to release the devil and bring on Armageddon.
That is why pilots and crew need to take security seriously!
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....8f73e936050a0f
The bastards I refer to are the petty tyrants who care nothing about those they're paid to serve, whether they be in an aircraft cabin, or in public service. Cabin crew who turn up to do an honest day's work ain't the problem, obviously.
Thanks for stating the obvious bankrunner. For the record, I've hit the ceiling twice, once north of Sydney in Bankstown's light aircraft lane in a Piper Warrior. The aircraft encountered a standing wave, causing it to drop rapidly in smooth conditions, which caused an aircraft battery and a toolbox in the baggage compartment to be thrown against the hatch, and drop into the waterway below. The other time, in a Baron approaching Balgo Hill in WA. Where did you fly bank runs?
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You clearly do not understand why there are cabin crew. Their primary role is passenger safety and that is why their numbers are specified in regulation. Their primary role is NOT to pander to you.
You clearly do not understand why there are cabin crew. Their primary role is passenger safety and that is why their numbers are specified in regulation. Their primary role is NOT to pander to you.
It was only much later that they transformed from customer servants into customer safety dictators, and the whole concept of their role being primarily pax safety is unable to be substantiated in the real world. That's the one we actually live and die in when our thinking gets too far removed from reality.
Yes, their numbers are specified in legislation, which should imply the following - If something is a practical necessity it wouldn't require legislation mandating it. You are correct that the justification for legislating cabin crew is based on a safety argument, but that argument conveniently perceives only a very small part of the whole picture. In reality, airlines survive by selling seats. If an airline is considered safe, but provides such poor cabin service that pax get pissed off, the airline can fail. Conversely, if an airline provides great cabin service, but get a bad safety record, they'll lose patronage and potentially fail. Therefore, the primary safety role is managed by the person occupying the front left seat, and the primary customer relations role is managed by the cabin manager. Both are essential for airline profitability, but one accident would have a far greater effect than one bad cabin service. That's how it works in reality. Anything else is folly dreamed up by fools who have allowed themselves to be deceived, usually for personal gain.
Probably the most critical factor in failures of any kind, whether they be airlines, societies, or simple pilot error, is folly and self-deception. That doesn't mean an airline, society, etc. will immediately fail as soon as their thinking becomes flawed. These things take time, providing plenty of opportunity for fatal flaws to be corrected. History shows that once a society, company, etc. pass a certain critical point, the possibility of correction is unlikely. Hence, the adage, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall."
Yes, their numbers are specified in legislation, which should imply the following - If something is a practical necessity it wouldn't require legislation mandating it.
Second, there are plenty of practical necessities which are still mandated by legislation. One of them is that you need to follow the instructions of the crew, whether or not you feel that they’re beneath you and would benefit from your efforts to ‘educate’ them. If you’re unwilling to comply with this particular piece of legislation, then you need to find an alternative means of transportation.
