Ozzies can’t fly when it’s windy?
This would not be acceptable anywhere else, but you all think this is the way it should be.
I’m sure there are plenty of different opinions on how it should be, but ultimately it is what it is.
I look forward to hearing you requiring 34L next time it’s 240/40 and everyone else is banked up for 25.
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I am curious how passing through Sydney airport you were able to assess the crosswind was less than 17kt until midday?
It's not really a discussion, people have told you the Australian rules, we don't get to pick and choose which ones to follow. Are they ideal? I think plenty would argue they aren't but they are what we have.
It's not really a discussion, people have told you the Australian rules, we don't get to pick and choose which ones to follow. Are they ideal? I think plenty would argue they aren't but they are what we have.
Do you still go to the airport briefing office for your weather info????
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What, the same pilots you’ve spent most of this thread having a crack at?
Who are you to tell us what we all think?
I’m sure there are plenty of different opinions on how it should be, but ultimately it is what it is.
I look forward to hearing you requiring 34L next time it’s 240/40 and everyone else is banked up for 25.
My guess is ATC on a power trip.
If you all are happy to waste time, fuel and money, and let your customers suffer because «it is what it is», then I’ll back out of this discussion.
Enjoy your delays and cancellations!
Don’t worry, ManAdaSystem
Most Australians in the aviation ‘system’ know that Australia is widely known as the only third world aviation nation in which you can drink the tap water. They also know why: The third world airport infrastructure, ATC system, Bureau of Meteorology, ATSB, regulator and regulatory regime we’re ‘blessed’ with.
Unfortunately, some take the criticism personally. Others try to rationalise the reality away.
But some of us know the real cause and don’t blame individuals in the system or try to rationalise the reality away. The real cause is a busted political system that would also be the pride of a third world nation.
Most Australians in the aviation ‘system’ know that Australia is widely known as the only third world aviation nation in which you can drink the tap water. They also know why: The third world airport infrastructure, ATC system, Bureau of Meteorology, ATSB, regulator and regulatory regime we’re ‘blessed’ with.
Unfortunately, some take the criticism personally. Others try to rationalise the reality away.
But some of us know the real cause and don’t blame individuals in the system or try to rationalise the reality away. The real cause is a busted political system that would also be the pride of a third world nation.
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There’s a strong belief in the Galapagos that Australian standard is world standard. Unfortunately because we are so remote and our market is small the investment in the industry through all levels, politics, regulatory, infra structure, technology has been tiny since the 50s. This was exacerbated with the cost recovery policies that arrived about the time the DOT transformed to the CAA and then CASA. The dividend of that period is the current weaknesses in the system characterised by policies and procedures like the one MAS has rattled on about (with a bit of stirring as well!).
Most contemporary Aussie aviators feel as if the system is world class, unfortunately it has become something of a sheltered workshop. Rather than looking inward, taking critique personally and assuming we are ‘best practice’ we should look outward at the bigger systems in the world that passed us by years ago.
Most contemporary Aussie aviators feel as if the system is world class, unfortunately it has become something of a sheltered workshop. Rather than looking inward, taking critique personally and assuming we are ‘best practice’ we should look outward at the bigger systems in the world that passed us by years ago.
There’s a strong belief in the Galapagos that Australian standard is world standard. Unfortunately because we are so remote and our market is small the investment in the industry through all levels, politics, regulatory, infra structure, technology has been tiny since the 50s. This was exacerbated with the cost recovery policies that arrived about the time the DOT transformed to the CAA and then CASA. The dividend of that period is the current weaknesses in the system characterised by policies and procedures like the one MAS has rattled on about (with a bit of stirring as well!).
Most contemporary Aussie aviators feel as if the system is world class, unfortunately it has become something of a sheltered workshop. Rather than looking inward, taking critique personally and assuming we are ‘best practice’ we should look outward at the bigger systems in the world that passed us by years ago.
Most contemporary Aussie aviators feel as if the system is world class, unfortunately it has become something of a sheltered workshop. Rather than looking inward, taking critique personally and assuming we are ‘best practice’ we should look outward at the bigger systems in the world that passed us by years ago.
Well said, it is so sad that I have to agree with you, but fact is fact, Lead Balloon's comments are also to the point.
It is not just the Department/CASA/AsA who are fooling themselves.
As a rather famous individual at ICAO, Dan Maurino said, quite some years ago now: "Australia has made a major contribution to ICAO, on the whole, aviation would be better off, had Australia not done so".
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Friday, August 9.......
ATIS YSSY W 090741
RWY: 25 FOR ARR AND DEP........
WIND 280/20-40, XW 20 KTS RWY 25, XW MAX 35 KTS RWY 34L
He he he.......Here we go again.
ATIS YSSY W 090741
RWY: 25 FOR ARR AND DEP........
WIND 280/20-40, XW 20 KTS RWY 25, XW MAX 35 KTS RWY 34L
He he he.......Here we go again.
I’m looking forward to when ManAdaSystem tries to fly on time in Australia when a capital city airport is beset with that very unusual weather phenomenon called “fog”.
Hopefully mankind will soon invent some technology and infrastructure to facilitate the timely movement and landing of aircraft despite “fog”. That way, “fog” in Sydney wouldn’t throw almost the entirety of the RPT schedule in the ‘J’ curve of Australia into chaos. If only such technology and infrastructure existed.
Hopefully mankind will soon invent some technology and infrastructure to facilitate the timely movement and landing of aircraft despite “fog”. That way, “fog” in Sydney wouldn’t throw almost the entirety of the RPT schedule in the ‘J’ curve of Australia into chaos. If only such technology and infrastructure existed.
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I’m looking forward to when ManAdaSystem tries to fly on time in Australia when a capital city airport is beset with that very unusual weather phenomenon called “fog”.
Hopefully mankind will soon invent some technology and infrastructure to facilitate the timely movement and landing of aircraft despite “fog”. That way, “fog” in Sydney wouldn’t throw almost the entirety of the RPT schedule in the ‘J’ curve of Australia into chaos. If only such technology and infrastructure existed.
Hopefully mankind will soon invent some technology and infrastructure to facilitate the timely movement and landing of aircraft despite “fog”. That way, “fog” in Sydney wouldn’t throw almost the entirety of the RPT schedule in the ‘J’ curve of Australia into chaos. If only such technology and infrastructure existed.
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Fog won’t be a problem for him. After holding for two hours one morning in Melbourne we asked ATC if any aircraft had got in. The reply was “we have had more than 20 missed approaches but two Malaysian aircraft have landed”. Maybe no one told them that it wasn’t a Cat III runway yet.
Words fail me. Don’t know whether to laugh or cry about that! Only in Australia...
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I think most pilots agree, it's only when you fly in another country's Air Traffic System you realise just how much of an aviation joke Australia is. The sad part about it is, those running aviation in Australia think they are the worlds best.
Fog won’t be a problem for him. After holding for two hours one morning in Melbourne we asked ATC if any aircraft had got in. The reply was “we have had more than 20 missed approaches but two Malaysian aircraft have landed”. Maybe no one told them that it wasn’t a Cat III runway yet.
The Airlines are being gouged for the privatised airport incompetence. As the fuel wasted does not affect the airports bottom line they don't see any point in building new runways. Would the fuel wasted each year pay for a new runway, I think so and maybe even a third. The Government needs to step in , use government bonds to build all the new runways and at the same time take 50% ownership of each Airport back .
Why did our Government sell so many monopoly assets , licences to print money . Australia is really a financial disappointment and is heading toward 3rd world status.
Why did our Government sell so many monopoly assets , licences to print money . Australia is really a financial disappointment and is heading toward 3rd world status.
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Fog won’t be a problem for him. After holding for two hours one morning in Melbourne we asked ATC if any aircraft had got in. The reply was “we have had more than 20 missed approaches but two Malaysian aircraft have landed”. Maybe no one told them that it wasn’t a Cat III runway yet.
Captain was hand flying. Not visual at minima. Runway in sight at less than 100 ft. Landed.
Captains nationality? Australian.
It happens in the best of families.
And before you ask why I did not intervene in any way?
A. He was flying like an ace.
B. I was young.
C. I thought fighting for the controls at low altitude was a bad idea.
D. The book said: The captain decides if a landing should be made.
He is retired long ago, maybe from life as well. Blue skies to you captain McM, wherever you are.
Surprised to find out that only MEL and PER have Cat III. I’m also surprised to hear you held for 2 hours! How much fuel do you guys fly with? If I fly to a Cat I airport that is below minima and with no sign of improvement, I stay on the ground.
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The Airlines are being gouged for the privatised airport incompetence. As the fuel wasted does not affect the airports bottom line they don't see any point in building new runways. Would the fuel wasted each year pay for a new runway, I think so and maybe even a third. The Government needs to step in , use government bonds to build all the new runways and at the same time take 50% ownership of each Airport back .
Why did our Government sell so many monopoly assets , licences to print money . Australia is really a financial disappointment and is heading toward 3rd world status.
Why did our Government sell so many monopoly assets , licences to print money . Australia is really a financial disappointment and is heading toward 3rd world status.
Furthermore with regards to the curfew, no politician will commit political suicide and change the no aircraft noise laws. That being said, imagine if Sydney airport was open 24 hours and had no movement cap. The benefits that would be had for the economy and more importantly, opening up more destinations for leisure and business travellers alike because there would be more slots and more airlines could fly here.
What pisses me off is this narrow sighted view of not to change anything and yet we want to be taken seriously and claim Sydney is an 'international' city. No 24hr airport and the only things open 24hrs in this international City, are McDonalds and 7/11s.
We're behind the 8-ball and need to get with it. We can be better than this. Sorry for the thread drift!
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I'm pretty sure it has been mentioned time and time again in this thread, but I'll say it one more time. MATS specifically states that we can not nominate a runway for use when the crosswind exceeds 20kts. We can only nominate a runway exceeding that limit when:
1) required by noise abatement legislation;
2) An alternative runway does not exist;
3) A takeoff or landing, as applicable, is not possible on an alternative runway.
Unfortunately, an alternative runway exists in Sydney so the crossing runway it is!
ATC has their hands tied. If you want improvements, CASA are the people to lobby...
1) required by noise abatement legislation;
2) An alternative runway does not exist;
3) A takeoff or landing, as applicable, is not possible on an alternative runway.
Unfortunately, an alternative runway exists in Sydney so the crossing runway it is!
ATC has their hands tied. If you want improvements, CASA are the people to lobby...
First and foremost, the operator of Sydney airport only cares about one thing and one thing only: Profit. They run a business so their agenda is to make money by any means necessary. And when your asset is used by people that have no choice but to use it and their is no alternative, ka-ching.
Furthermore with regards to the curfew, no politician will commit political suicide and change the no aircraft noise laws. That being said, imagine if Sydney airport was open 24 hours and had no movement cap. The benefits that would be had for the economy and more importantly, opening up more destinations for leisure and business travellers alike because there would be more slots and more airlines could fly here.
What pisses me off is this narrow sighted view of not to change anything and yet we want to be taken seriously and claim Sydney is an 'international' city. No 24hr airport and the only things open 24hrs in this international City, are McDonalds and 7/11s.
We're behind the 8-ball and need to get with it. We can be better than this. Sorry for the thread drift!
Furthermore with regards to the curfew, no politician will commit political suicide and change the no aircraft noise laws. That being said, imagine if Sydney airport was open 24 hours and had no movement cap. The benefits that would be had for the economy and more importantly, opening up more destinations for leisure and business travellers alike because there would be more slots and more airlines could fly here.
What pisses me off is this narrow sighted view of not to change anything and yet we want to be taken seriously and claim Sydney is an 'international' city. No 24hr airport and the only things open 24hrs in this international City, are McDonalds and 7/11s.
We're behind the 8-ball and need to get with it. We can be better than this. Sorry for the thread drift!
Scooter: It's not private airport "incompetence". It's private airport owners doing very competently what business owners do. You're labouring under the misconception that the owners of airports are in the business of moving aircraft passengers effectively and efficiently in aircraft.
Phildan89 is correct, but CASA is just another tail being wagged by the dog.
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https://2populartrend.com/passengers...y-storm-chaos/
The article even has a picure of a dark cloud! Scary stuff!
The article even has a picure of a dark cloud! Scary stuff!
