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Old 15th Jul 2019, 21:34
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Originally Posted by krismiler
With the general lowering of basic flying skills, lower cross wind limits is probably a good idea in case some automation dependent child of the magenta line gets put into a situation which exceeds his capabilities. Some people struggle with 10kts of cross wind let alone 20kts.
Some people should not be professional pilots.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 23:40
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Krismiler has nailed it!
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 23:59
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16L for departures?

I am surprised there is not greater use of 16L for departures when there's a howling sou-wester blowing. Other than getting across 25, departures off 16L do not physically conflict with 25.
I'm sure most pilots would agree that a gusty 30 knot crosswind on take-off is considerable easier to manage than on landing.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 01:14
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Originally Posted by krismiler
With the general lowering of basic flying skills, lower cross wind limits is probably a good idea in case some automation dependent child of the magenta line gets put into a situation which exceeds THEIR capabilities. Some people struggle with 10kts of cross wind let alone 20kts.
Spare me.

No one checked to line by an RPT operator in Australia can't land at the crosswind limit of their aircraft.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 03:12
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Then I would guess that you haven't flown with a narrow body F/O with 300 total flying hours.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 03:25
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I'm quite enjoying this discussion, however there's two scenarios at play here I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. The airlines and airservices have their planning hookup the night before, and based on the forecast, plan for 25 only ops at Sydney. The airlines go and manage their schedules from there. I think that's how it happens.

Now, the two options are to do this, or in the morning some time when the winds aren't as bad as forecast, ATC says 'Let's use the parallels now' and off they go. Would the airlines then get all angry because they have already cancelled flights, bumped pax, moved crews, managed airframes etc.based on the predicted use of 25 only?

Can anyone actually win in this situation? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 03:43
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The mob I work for does simulator training for 40 knot crosswind, Captain only. Low time F/Os are not a problem. They will just have to sit there and clench their teeth. Heathrow gets on just fine with 2 parallels.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 04:08
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QF 737 F/O's are trained to 40knots in the Sim.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 04:46
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Originally Posted by George Glass
Heathrow gets on just fine with 2 parallels.
Funnily enough if SYD only had the parallels we’d never have the 07/25 issue!
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 06:41
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Originally Posted by George Glass
... It fails in its primary mission of moving people from point A to B. It is at its absolute limit now and unless something radical is done soon its all downhill from here.
This is where you’re going wrong and why you’re so frustrated.

The primary mission of the system in Australia is to generate revenue for Airservices and generate profit for the owners of the airports. There is no financial incentive for Airservices or the airport owners to run it any differently, or to instal the runways or technology or to pushback on the politically-determined runway allocations at Sydney, so that the not unusual weather phenomena called “fog” and “wind” wouldn’t throw almost the entirety of the airways into chronic delay.

The frustration of and costs to punters is a mere externality and of little relevance when they continue to line up - sheep like - to pay for more.

Rated De nailed it @ #54.



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Old 16th Jul 2019, 07:02
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Originally Posted by Derfred
QF 737 F/O's are trained to 40knots in the Sim.
And then only be allowed to operate to 20kts in the aircraft....
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 07:06
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Originally Posted by Full Opp Rudder
Footage reportedly taken last Saturday. Good test of co-ordination skills with a satisfactory result ...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-...n-way/11307568
Wires, pulleys and bellcranks=poetry in motion!
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 07:27
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Lead Balloon, you are, of course, absolutely correct. What was I thinking........
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 09:59
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Originally Posted by Sparrows.


And then only be allowed to operate to 20kts in the aircraft....
However should they face a very unlikely pilot incap and a 40kt XWind.......
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator


However should they face a very unlikely pilot incap and a 40kt XWind.......
It's incredibly dumb policy, the first jet limits xwind they'll do (most likely) they'll be the captain.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 21:27
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It is a dumb policy and leads to F/O’s thinking that there is something tricky about any crosswind above 20kts.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 22:42
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
Wires, pulleys and bellcranks=poetry in motion!
Poetry in motion? More like a bush ballad!
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 23:14
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Originally Posted by 73qanda
It is a dumb policy and leads to F/O’s thinking that there is something tricky about any crosswind above 20kts.
JQ Cadets even get an extra 50%. 30kt limited a year after checked to line. Most of the time with less than 1000hr TT, yes TT, not time on type.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 03:42
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To be fair, they are flying an Airbus
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 04:59
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
To be fair, they are flying an Airbus
Exactly! They’re a bitch to land in a crosswind. Nearly 4,000hrs on them and I still can’t quite get it right every time.
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