Jetstar EBA 2019
ROH111:
Rumours about the Jetstar B787 going back to QF are all over the QF threads here on PPRuNe, possibly written by other QF pilots.
Son, here are some quotes from some of QF threads.
Do you need me to find more posts for you from the QF threads ?
Chin up son. You won't be getting the Jetstar B787's or the new A320/21 NEO's either. You might get some new toys with project Sunrise to make you feel like working for a proper airline with a modern fleet.
I have never heard that from any QF pilot.
It’s ok, you’ll get into a proper airline one day Ragnor. Chin up son
It’s ok, you’ll get into a proper airline one day Ragnor. Chin up son
Son, here are some quotes from some of QF threads.
but those 787s are rumoured to be earmarked for mainline with the NEOs coming and heavy checks due
Actually, what I’ve heard is that the 787-8s from JQ will join the QF fleet to replace the A330s on some routes to allow more flexibility in the flying program.
Chin up son. You won't be getting the Jetstar B787's or the new A320/21 NEO's either. You might get some new toys with project Sunrise to make you feel like working for a proper airline with a modern fleet.
Last edited by a_pilot; 11th Feb 2020 at 04:21.
What if?
What if these three airframes are disposed of. What will become of the (presumably) surplus flight crew (one imagines about 8.5 crew per airframe)?
What provisions, if any, are in the employment contract for type reversion/down-training/ re-allocation of flight crew?
Just asking.
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A hypothetical question:
What if these three airframes are disposed of. What will become of the (presumably) surplus flight crew (one imagines about 8.5 crew per airframe)?
What provisions, if any, are in the employment contract for type reversion/down-training/ re-allocation of flight crew?
Just asking.
What if these three airframes are disposed of. What will become of the (presumably) surplus flight crew (one imagines about 8.5 crew per airframe)?
What provisions, if any, are in the employment contract for type reversion/down-training/ re-allocation of flight crew?
Just asking.
I would hazard a guess and say the three aircraft going will be CNS and OOL based.
There is nothing in any agreement (same with Virgin LH) about company forced aircraft downgrades. There is some interesting wording around bonds and conversions.
Many FO's are long eligible for narrow body commands. I know some are irked that Cadets, even 787 SO's who joined in what 11/12 will get a narrow body command over FOs who have been wide body since day dot and still a FO chasing that upgrade. They will now be sent back to the Airbus and that skipper next to them will be that 787 SO they use to fly with. Well that was the debate we had the other day.
There is nothing in any agreement (same with Virgin LH) about company forced aircraft downgrades. There is some interesting wording around bonds and conversions.
Many FO's are long eligible for narrow body commands. I know some are irked that Cadets, even 787 SO's who joined in what 11/12 will get a narrow body command over FOs who have been wide body since day dot and still a FO chasing that upgrade. They will now be sent back to the Airbus and that skipper next to them will be that 787 SO they use to fly with. Well that was the debate we had the other day.
Will they get sent back to the Airbus? They're able to apply for advertised vacancies by FSO but if there aren't any, they may literally be made redundant. Hopefully not of course, but it's a possibility.
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I would hazard a guess and say the three aircraft going will be CNS and OOL based.
There is nothing in any agreement (same with Virgin LH) about company forced aircraft downgrades. There is some interesting wording around bonds and conversions.
Many FO's are long eligible for narrow body commands. I know some are irked that Cadets, even 787 SO's who joined in what 11/12 will get a narrow body command over FOs who have been wide body since day dot and still a FO chasing that upgrade. They will now be sent back to the Airbus and that skipper next to them will be that 787 SO they use to fly with. Well that was the debate we had the other day.
There is nothing in any agreement (same with Virgin LH) about company forced aircraft downgrades. There is some interesting wording around bonds and conversions.
Many FO's are long eligible for narrow body commands. I know some are irked that Cadets, even 787 SO's who joined in what 11/12 will get a narrow body command over FOs who have been wide body since day dot and still a FO chasing that upgrade. They will now be sent back to the Airbus and that skipper next to them will be that 787 SO they use to fly with. Well that was the debate we had the other day.
The last paragraph of your post doesn’t make much sense to me. There aren’t any former 787 SOs who are captains. We’ve only had SOs since 2016ish
SOs from the 787 who have now moved to the Airbus FO are not far off upgrading. By the time the whole 787 fleet goes many will have a narrow body command.
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Well if the wide Body FOs don’t like that then they should take NB commands. Bit like getting on a life raft off the Titanic, better to get off the sinking ship sooner rather than later.
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My reading of the EBA is that the company can do what ever they want according the the effected ranks and bases I.e if the aircraft comes out of MEL then they could force the appropriate amount of CAPT, FO and SO’s back to the Bus where ever there are vacancies (could be a different base) or give the choice of redundancy if that isn’t acceptable to the effected pilots. So you will have 787 pilots in other bases who are more junior but will stay on the 787, obviously they will all end up back on the bus at some stage. It could involve downgrades as well, just depends how management choose to go about it, it could all be done in a respectful and co-operative way or they may ‘make an example and sound song and dance’ about it as per their threats.
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I’m not sure if redundancies would be offered whilst you’re still recruiting and they are running courses ATM.
Our labour laws are an utter joke and don’t really provide much protection against the above paragraph, but if that were to happen the payout would be very high to those people. Many years of service, plus the 787 guys haven’t been able to take leave for some time. I’d have to read it again, but there is a clause they have to be re-employed if a position came up within 5 years. Whether that’s a 787 position or just a pilot position I don’t know.
Our labour laws are an utter joke and don’t really provide much protection against the above paragraph, but if that were to happen the payout would be very high to those people. Many years of service, plus the 787 guys haven’t been able to take leave for some time. I’d have to read it again, but there is a clause they have to be re-employed if a position came up within 5 years. Whether that’s a 787 position or just a pilot position I don’t know.
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Mr Evans was quoted two days ago that 'he is prepared to ground the airline', and this from Alan at the HY results @ https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...88572be342f4e3 based in the current TWU strikes.
One thing is for certain, dreams of an EBA matching Tiger are out the window now. Corona virus is the perfect ‘crisis’ for the company to push through a bit of cost cutting.