Jetstar EBA 2019
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Sorry to be argumentative, but your tone triggered me to question what you said. I doubt it’s factually correct
Even Jetstar understand that members who joined after November 18 can engage in PIA.
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You are ONLY eligible to engage in the Protected Industrial Action if:
· you are a member of the AFAP ; and
· the AFAP is your bargaining representative.
You are ONLY eligible to engage in the Protected Industrial Action if:
· you are a member of the AFAP ; and
· the AFAP is your bargaining representative.
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AIPA legal has always been very good. This sort of thing would be referred to a senior industrial barrister.
QF/JQ May not go after individual pilots who joined AFAP after the ballot. But they sure as **** would look into the AFAP Exec and JQ faction for organising and coercion.
Div 3/4 P340 onwards of the Act (page414). P176 might be worth a look too.
I can’t imagine the intent of the Act is to facilitate employees Monty Pythonesque rushing from one union to another, after a PIA ballot. If there was any doubt, perhaps Q would consider running an action anyway. Make things very real for the AFAP leadership, probably stand them down or lock em’ out because of the stress.
guessing Keith’s email came from JQ. See how they have made a distinction between being a “member of AFAP” and “bargaining representative”. There might be a reason for that.
Yep, what is the objective?? Apart from running it at Xmas?
QF/JQ May not go after individual pilots who joined AFAP after the ballot. But they sure as **** would look into the AFAP Exec and JQ faction for organising and coercion.
Div 3/4 P340 onwards of the Act (page414). P176 might be worth a look too.
I can’t imagine the intent of the Act is to facilitate employees Monty Pythonesque rushing from one union to another, after a PIA ballot. If there was any doubt, perhaps Q would consider running an action anyway. Make things very real for the AFAP leadership, probably stand them down or lock em’ out because of the stress.
guessing Keith’s email came from JQ. See how they have made a distinction between being a “member of AFAP” and “bargaining representative”. There might be a reason for that.
Yep, what is the objective?? Apart from running it at Xmas?
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1. With colleagues like some of you, Joyce doesn’t have to do much at all. Half the work is already done. The travelling public are more supportive of this action.
2. Objective = to better the conditions of the employees.
3. Has anyone talked about the fact that QF and Alliance will (may) be picking up some of the flying? Yes, I understand it’s illegal to refuse.
All the best to our Jetstar colleagues, I and everyone I fly with truly hope you come out on top. Please stick together.
2. Objective = to better the conditions of the employees.
3. Has anyone talked about the fact that QF and Alliance will (may) be picking up some of the flying? Yes, I understand it’s illegal to refuse.
All the best to our Jetstar colleagues, I and everyone I fly with truly hope you come out on top. Please stick together.
1. With colleagues like some of you, Joyce doesn’t have to do much at all. Half the work is already done. The travelling public are more supportive of this action.
2. Objective = to better the conditions of the employees.
3. Has anyone talked about the fact that QF and Alliance will (may) be picking up some of the flying? Yes, I understand it’s illegal to refuse.
All the best to our Jetstar colleagues, I and everyone I fly with truly hope you come out on top. Please stick together.
2. Objective = to better the conditions of the employees.
3. Has anyone talked about the fact that QF and Alliance will (may) be picking up some of the flying? Yes, I understand it’s illegal to refuse.
All the best to our Jetstar colleagues, I and everyone I fly with truly hope you come out on top. Please stick together.
The ex JQNZ Dash8's are heading to MEL this weekend to cover some flying as well.
QF, QLink and Alliance are all covering the flying.
Last edited by gordonfvckingramsay; 13th Dec 2019 at 00:00.
Who - management?
I agree - they could have easily signed off on the proposed EBA and avoided all of this conflict and upcoming financial impact.
I agree - they could have easily signed off on the proposed EBA and avoided all of this conflict and upcoming financial impact.
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IR is the only "growth" area in Little Napoleon's reign.
That the company spends a fortune to save a dime is lost on the emperor and his hall of mirrors.
Comedy gold.
I can’t imagine the intent of the Act is to facilitate employees Monty Pythonesque rushing from one union to another, after a PIA ballot. If there was any doubt, perhaps Q would consider running an action anyway. Make things very real for the AFAP leadership, probably stand them down or lock em’ out because of the stress.
2 Eligibility
You are ONLY eligible to engage in the Protected Industrial Action if:
· you are a member of the AFAP ; and
· the AFAP is your bargaining representative.
You are ONLY eligible to engage in the Protected Industrial Action if:
· you are a member of the AFAP ; and
· the AFAP is your bargaining representative.
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Getting interesting. Latest email.
Originally Posted by The JQ Executive Remuneration Maximization Team
Under the Fair Work act 2009, the company may withhold all pay otherwise due to an employee on any day that the employee engages in protected industrial action in the form of a partial work ban.
This letter constitutes notification to you in accordance with section blah blah of the FWA 2009 that Jetstar refuses to accept the performance of any work by you until you are prepared to perform all your normal duties.
Accordingly, if you engage in one or both of the partial work bans listed above, you will not be entitled to any payment for the entire duration of the partial work ban - The period from 0001 on 14 Dec 19 to 2359 20 Dec 2019.
This letter constitutes notification to you in accordance with section blah blah of the FWA 2009 that Jetstar refuses to accept the performance of any work by you until you are prepared to perform all your normal duties.
Accordingly, if you engage in one or both of the partial work bans listed above, you will not be entitled to any payment for the entire duration of the partial work ban - The period from 0001 on 14 Dec 19 to 2359 20 Dec 2019.
Last edited by Paddleboat; 13th Dec 2019 at 08:37.
This is getting interesting. So what they are saying is that even when you turn up to work during the PIA period you will be doing so for free!
Last edited by Ollie Onion; 13th Dec 2019 at 09:00.
I can understand witholding pay during the stop work periods, but not paying someone who is choosing to work to rule? How is that legal?
Not getting paid for a week? I’d personally find that really stressful. Personally, I’d probably be unfit to work. Only speaking for myself, of course.
Very best of luck for the weekend ladies and gents. Stay the course, stay united.
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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/drton...579724288-flAn
Jetstar (JQ) is facing significant issues at the moment, with a part of its labour force requesting a pay rise. JQ management argues this will increase costs and thus fares, to the detriment of the public. Let's analyse this.
Firstly, in competitive markets, nominal wage rates increase with Product Inflation + Productivity. Qantas Group labour productivity has increased at a CAGR of 3.8% since 2005. This is group productivity - the airline doesn't split out JQ productivity. Product Inflation is not the CPI. It is the yield (RASK) growth of JQ. Over the past 5 years, this has increased by 2.4%.
On the basis of these numbers, one could argue for wage growth materially higher than 4%. If you look at the transport workers and pilots, their cost bases are 10% to 15% of total cost - this is an educated guess. If their weighted average wage growth demands are, say, 7%, this represents a JQ cost increase of around 1%. If JQ costs go up by 1% how much will fares go up? A model of JQ RASK indicates on average that 46% of JQ cost increases are passed through to yields. This means we would expect JQ fares to increase by 0.5%.
This means that on SYD-MEL we would expect JQ fares to go up by less than $1.
Firstly, in competitive markets, nominal wage rates increase with Product Inflation + Productivity. Qantas Group labour productivity has increased at a CAGR of 3.8% since 2005. This is group productivity - the airline doesn't split out JQ productivity. Product Inflation is not the CPI. It is the yield (RASK) growth of JQ. Over the past 5 years, this has increased by 2.4%.
On the basis of these numbers, one could argue for wage growth materially higher than 4%. If you look at the transport workers and pilots, their cost bases are 10% to 15% of total cost - this is an educated guess. If their weighted average wage growth demands are, say, 7%, this represents a JQ cost increase of around 1%. If JQ costs go up by 1% how much will fares go up? A model of JQ RASK indicates on average that 46% of JQ cost increases are passed through to yields. This means we would expect JQ fares to increase by 0.5%.
This means that on SYD-MEL we would expect JQ fares to go up by less than $1.
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Considering the vertically challenged one closed down Qantas Mainline because his pilots had the utter audacity to wear red ties and make banal PA’s to passengers explaining their issues during their Industrial action a few years ago , what in God’s name is the unctuous Leprechaun going to do when staff at his pride and joy actually undertake stop work meetings ?
How much Amazing profit ? is the Amazing business going to lose ?
On another note , good luck and happy hunting to all employees downtrodden under Joyce’s pixy boots ,may the wind be at your back and the road rise to meet your feet !
How much Amazing profit ? is the Amazing business going to lose ?
On another note , good luck and happy hunting to all employees downtrodden under Joyce’s pixy boots ,may the wind be at your back and the road rise to meet your feet !
