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Old 18th Jul 2019, 13:45
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
People seem transfixed on the ďpay riseĒ aspect only and how itís risky in a softening economy. Anything being asked for in this latest round of EBAs is merely a correction (not a pay rise) to the stagnated wage growth forced upon pilots during the last decade or so. Airlines have skimmed the cream off that wage stagnation for a very long time. Talk of company failures and the end of days in aviation is old playbook smoke and mirrors, and pretty boring.
Quite correct.

The playbook involves using contractors and outsourcing. Then of course drag out "negotiation" until the economic cycle rolls over and then begin in earnest the scare campaign.

That the EBA outcomes are held at CPI ( a government derived measure that lacks any real reference to cost of living) real wages (purchasing power) has declined in most western economies over the last decades (plural)

Wash, rinse and repeat.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 14:53
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The smart money is that Tiger will close, and be absorbed into Virgin, which at last glance, was north of $1.6B loss over the last 6 years.
Won't happen. Firstly - don't look at statutory loss. It is irrelevant. Care about cash. Is it generating free cash. That's what matters. Whilst we wait for the full-year results, which, we can all expect will be poor thanks to FX and fuel impacts (all airlines), we need to look closely at operating margin to see how dire the business really is. And that is the same for VA. And of course leverage and interest cover, and what direction they are headed.

If TT can maintain a positive EBITDA - then it isn't a burden on VA's balance sheet, and provides the competitive protection from another start-up coming in and having a go aka Lion Air, Air Asia etc.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 23:40
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I think QF allows tiger and virgin to scrape by.

Imagine if they had a cashed up strong competitor come in?

As for JQ. If the EBA is any less than Tiger, there would be a large and significant uproar. The only way this will get over the line is if they play dirty. IE offer deals to the SOs and FOs or Captains and SOs etc to get the required 50.1% yes.

Whatever the outcome, itís going to be a pissed off pilot workforce. There ainít no bigger piece of the pie anymore. Itís just squabbling over who gets the most crumbs.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 07:31
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Originally Posted by Weapons Grade View Post
The heliograph flashing from Village Virgin is that there is to be an announcement by COB Friday regarding the current status and future of Tiger.
The smart money is that Tiger will close, and be absorbed into Virgin, which at last glance, was north of $1.6B loss over the last 6 years. One opines that Virgin will be between nowhere and nowhere as it cannot compete with Qantas group's premium (sic) service, and cannot compete with Qantas group's low cost carrier services.
My tray table is stowed; my reclining seat/bed is now in the takeoff and landing position; and, am awaiting the onset of severe turbulence which is forecast.
Perhaps it is just a rumour, and will amount to nought. Perhaps.

Looks like that Heliograph is signaling something else. Almost COB Friday......nothings happened.

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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 06:44
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Qantas 2011

The fuel bill for the group last FY was $3.232B - how much can we add to that? 5%? 10%?? Easiest PIA ever - no pax inconvenienced
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 07:45
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Could I be correct in assuming there is minimal crew engagement regarding the uniforms with the note attached at sign on this afternoon?
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 10:09
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You’ll have to explain Ragnor
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 11:11
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Could I be correct in assuming there is minimal crew engagement regarding the uniforms with the note attached at sign on this afternoon?
every pilot Iíve spoken to has done the survey. No point whining about the new uniform if you didnít have your say when given the chance
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 11:55
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Hats for everyone and new polo shirts with our embroided names. Should make up appear more hip and fun ;-)
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 12:30
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Itíll end up being the black cabin crew uniform with orange bars and an orange jacket

Kind of like the qantas one being cabin crew shirts and jackets/pants etc with a different tie and bars/wings.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 22:00
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post


every pilot I’ve spoken to has done the survey. No point whining about the new uniform if you didn’t have your say when given the chance
Kind of like the qantas one being cabin crew shirts and jackets/pants etc with a different tie and bars/wings.
Precisely.

Surveys don't matter. Nodding heads will feign their interest as long as it takes to sign a supply contract. That contract will align supply chains with cabin crew and ground crew to minimise unit cost.
Pretending to care is the modern corporate. The new uniform a mix of toxicity and impracticality, with plenty of man-made chemical compounds floating around. Much cheaper than cotton and wool.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4346446/am...oisoning-them/
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 09:13
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Any delays beyond 15 mins is recorded as an OTP delay. I guess when they kick even the nicest of dogs enough, they will bite so the saying goes. Shame to be hearing that the good will appears to have run out with the line drivers.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 00:06
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Fact of the matter is that the timing is terrible, expect a big profit announcement followed closely by all the messaging around softening demand, slowing global growth etc. There will be no massive gains in this contract, I base this on EVERY negotiation so far where the pilot group has been out manoeuvred by management at every step, why is it going to be any different this time around? I say this to everyone I fly with to try and get a bit of spark lit up for a scrap but generally most just go ‘yep that’s what I think too’.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 19:53
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HI guys, not sure if this is the correct thread or not but regarding all of the contract concerns I am curious to know what the majority union for Jetstar Australia is.
Thanks for your troubles.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 02:43
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AFAP have the majority
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 01:56
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...this has gone quiet?
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 03:16
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Seems like it.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 10:40
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 10:45
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Is there any argument for why JQ should pay less than Tiger?
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 04:41
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Because Tiger seems content to run it’s business at a loss to ensure market share and ALL of it’s costs are not the true market rate / value that can be sustained long term.
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