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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:31
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
I didn't see these Qantas pilots complaining when after the failure of Ansett the Qantas fleet increased by nearly a third in just 5 years?

You're a fool if you assume you're entitled to a thing in aviation.
well said!

Maybe one day Qantas Group pilots will adopt a promotional system which doesnít imprison experience in one case, whilst protecting inexperience in another. Maybe in adopting such a system, pilots will enjoy the fruits of promotion based on the same criteria enjoyed by every other industry.

and one day pigs will fly.......

when Ansett collapsed, rather than leveraging the vast experience available to it, Qantas was forced by its pilots promotional system to conduct unnecessary training and promote inexperience, both at enormous cost and arguably increasing operational risk.

Qantas pilots have the system they want. Their extreme conservatism will inhibit anything else, and ironically I fear, their very futures.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Arthur D View Post

Qantas pilots have the system they want. Their extreme conservatism will inhibit anything else, and ironically I fear, their very futures.
them quantas jocks av ad it to good fur to long. Pluus wun from me AD👍 Well sed big marn 👨*✈️
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 10:10
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Just to correct the ledger - "Your boss saw a market and he created a product"...
No he didn't. He saw [email protected]%k $&*t!
He was only scrambling to cut off another heavily backed LCC launching out of an Avalon base with two B737's (that were in the hangars painted already!)... and he did, by having his media launch of Jetstar the day before Spirit Airlines' planned one! I wonder how he knew about Spirit... just ask the Airports' Manager, who's frequents the QF upper Lounges...
Regardless, there was room for a LCC to move into that segment and it happens to be Jstar. It's just a pity all the QF groups aren't working together against managements' divide-and-conquer style, as those days are well and truely past it's use-by date, in this climate of skills shortage!
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 10:30
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Maybe one day Qantas Group pilots will adopt a promotional system which doesnít imprison experience in one case, whilst protecting inexperience in another.
Sounds like Qantas invented the seniority system eh?
Did Ansett take direct entry captains at the expense of its incumbent First Officers?
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 11:29
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Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.Ö
Same can be said of seniority.

The argument has been done to death on PPRuNe probably time to move on.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 13:40
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Originally Posted by Blueskymine View Post


The MOU guys are pretty much frozen in Perth arenít they?


Not at all


Originally Posted by Blueskymine View Post

As for the 6 month FO stint, fair enough. Itís a good move to get used to the operation. Itís a different beast to QF.
No more so than the 737 operation is to long haul
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 15:53
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When 737 FOís in QF earn around 260k I donít think a command is at the top of their priority.

youd expect most wouldnít mind seniority, when itís their time, itís their time.

As for the JQ guys, howís the 4 sector days going for 75 hours min guarantee?
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 20:46
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So Qantas short haul doesnít have any 4 sector days or do 75 hours in a month?
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 21:33
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Originally Posted by WillieTheWimp View Post
So Qantas short haul doesnít have any 4 sector days or do 75 hours in a month?
I bet they do sometimes, At least they are valued by the company and paid adequately for those hours.

Jetstar undervalue their tech crew which was evident in the last EBA update by the Chief and the Union.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 21:42
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Originally Posted by ROH111 View Post
As for the JQ guys, howís the 4 sector days going for 75 hours min guarantee?
Meaning what exactly?
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 22:19
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Originally Posted by WillieTheWimp View Post
So Qantas short haul doesnít have any 4 sector days or do 75 hours in a month?

Yes, but theyíll get 20 hours overtime for it.
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 01:18
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Yes, but they’ll get 20 hours overtime for it.
No overtime in Qantas short haul.
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 01:49
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
I certainly don't look to undercut anyone. Mainline could push for a million dollars a year and I'd be happy for them.

What grinds me is the attitude displayed but a select few muppets such as the one above that JQ pilots are somehow responsible for whatever stagnation they suffered at mainline (and of course ignoring the massive advantage they took from the collapse of Ansett) and deserve the subpar pay or high workload we endure. "Enjoy" was the comment made, along with a snide remark about how long till retirement. Insufferable arrogance.

I took the job that was available. The reality is that mainline simply didn't hire anyone for a decade. Had they offered me a job I'd have happily taken it, but the market didn't provide that opportunity. What else am I to do? Refuse an airline job to protect people earning 5 times what I am on in GA and rot there? Its absurd.

Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.
well said!
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 06:40
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Originally Posted by Lezzeno View Post
No overtime in Qantas short haul.
Well 20 extra hours pay.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 08:52
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Originally Posted by ROH111 View Post
When 737 FOís in QF earn around 260k I donít think a command is at the top of their priority.

youd expect most wouldnít mind seniority, when itís their time, itís their time.

As for the JQ guys, howís the 4 sector days going for 75 hours min guarantee?
260k..yep, Ben might, but as for reality..$195k
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