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2 More Jetstar A320ís to Network

Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:17
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 13:07
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Ha! Why would Qantas Pilots need to see an announcement? Itís only their flying increasingly being siphoned off.

Two more 737 airframes freed up... great, werenít there 737 airframes freed up from the Darwin -Alice flying thatís going? Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, itís all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore? Surely whatís left after Network could all be done from the east coast?
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 13:30
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot View Post
Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, itís all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore?
Is QF allowed to completely replace Perth base 737 with Network?

As you and I are wondering, ExtraShot, what of the freed up 737 airframes?
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 15:01
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot View Post
Ha! Why would Qantas Pilots need to see an announcement? Itís only their flying increasingly being siphoned off.

Two more 737 airframes freed up... great, werenít there 737 airframes freed up from the Darwin -Alice flying thatís going? Where is all this extra work for these 737s? Oh, and hint hint, itís all Perth based 737 stuff... what need is there for a 737 base in Perth anymore? Surely whatís left after Network could all be done from the east coast?
QF Perth Base Manager sent an email to the troops, bit light on detail though apart from planned entry into service dates.

The biggest problem will be finding pilots to fill RHS 737 positions in PER. If you put your hand up on day 1 the position is all yours.The big question though is why donít Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline? Or do they....
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 16:07
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post


QF Perth Base Manager sent an email to the troops, bit light on detail though apart from planned entry into service dates.

The biggest problem will be finding pilots to fill RHS 737 positions in PER. If you put your hand up on day 1 the position is all yours.The big question though is why donít Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline? Or do they....
Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesnít take 20 years to get a command.....

just saying
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 21:52
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Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesnít take 20 years to get a command.....

just saying


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Old 4th Jul 2019, 22:21
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Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesnít take 20 years to get a command.....
I suspect that the JQ pilots might be getting alarmed at this development. The "20 year to Command" at QF was caused by flying being transferred to JQ. Now that JQ has reached its "mature size" with many relatively young captains, the time to command will be increasing and this could be made worse if flying gets transferred to Network.

Network could do to Jetstar what Jetstar did to Qantas.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 23:52
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Originally Posted by Going Boeing View Post
I suspect that the JQ pilots might be getting alarmed at this development. The "20 year to Command" at QF was caused by flying being transferred to JQ. Now that JQ has reached its "mature size" with many relatively young captains, the time to command will be increasing and this could be made worse if flying gets transferred to Network.

Network could do to Jetstar what Jetstar did to Qantas.

Ironic, isn't it!
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 00:04
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The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble.

Weíre getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We donít mind losing a few clapped out classics.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 00:19
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble.

Weíre getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We donít mind losing a few clapped out classics.
id say that the Perth based jq guys might be in trouble also
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 00:33
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You blokes at Jetstar spend your time discussing QF bases? How boring.

Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane.
You can add that into the bar talk. You'll be the hit of the party.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 00:57
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ACCC decision regarding Qantas buying Alliance is due this month. Alan Joyce said in a press release two weeks ago that he expects it to be approved and if that comes to be, then he wants full ownership of Alliance by end of this year. He also wants to keep current Alliance management in place, so maybe the grand plan is to eventually send some A320's to Alliance and end up with a massive inflow of FIFO workers into the QF system, Australia wide. As it is, Alliance is the largest operator of Fokkers in the world and also controls most of the ever diminishing spare part inventory. Interesting times for both Network/Alliance pilots!
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 01:00
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms View Post
You blokes at Jetstar spend your time discussing QF bases? How boring.

Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane.
You can add that into the bar talk. You'll be the hit of the party.
Believe it or not I donít talk work at parties or at the bar! Only when Iím bored on the fourth sector and weíve finished talking about the footy. Or when Iím equally bored on days off on PPRuNe 😂

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Old 5th Jul 2019, 02:21
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The big question though is why don’t Network have the same problem filling positions, when the terms and conditions are far inferior to Mainline?
Indeed, is there a prominent use of the ĎSkilled Visaí program within Network? I mean, letís face it, every other industry is using the Skilled Visa program to suppress wages, why not Aviation?
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 03:55
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
The general consensus over here at JQ is that the Perth based QF 737 guys might be in trouble.

Weíre getting 18 brand new Airbuses over the next couple of years. We donít mind losing a few clapped out classics.
You should add the loss of 11 787s into your daily mainline chat.

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Old 5th Jul 2019, 06:40
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You should add the loss of 11 787s into your daily mainline chat.
We’ve just announced a new route (OOL-ICN) and are upgrading Capts, FOs and training new SOs to the 787.

That doesn’t sound like something an airline that about to get rid of a type does.

At best QF might get the 3 788s freed up from the Bali routes as the A321LRs arrive and in 2024 onwards the rest of the 788s if/when JQ get the A321XLRs.

Ill add this quote from last month article in the Sydney Morning Herald from Jetstar CEO Gareth Evans

"We’re going to see over the next two or three years as we execute on that, 30, 40 per cent growth in the Jetstar Australian international business," says Evans.

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Old 5th Jul 2019, 07:02
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How are they going to operate HNL? SGN? ICN? HKT?

You really think they will just pull out of all these routes gifting HA, TG all the traffic?
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 07:06
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms View Post
Of course, nobody knows what the future holds, but at the moment the QF 737 base in PER is bigger than it was when they did the last base balancing. Its almost the same size as brisbane.
And most transcon flying now the on the 73í, plus a resurgence in mining, I donít think they have much to worry about there.

Doesnt the JQ base out of Perth only operate 3 flights a day to Bali? Iíd be more worried about that....
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 08:23
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Maybe because they recognise experience and it doesnít take 20 years to get a command.....

just saying
Iíll happily sit in the RHS for 20 years with better terms and conditions, plus options for a more diverse career, than the LHS at Network flogging up and back to The Pilbara.

Command ainít everything...just saying
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 11:20
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And most transcon flying now the on the 73í, plus a resurgence in mining, I donít think they have much to worry about there.

Doesnt the JQ base out of Perth only operate 3 flights a day to Bali? Iíd be more worried about that....
Itís pretty much two as east coasters crew the middle of the day flight.

With FRMS and night stops for the BOC flights Iíd imagine it wouldnít take much effort to crew the other two with out of towners.

Unless thereís a big expansion in Perth.
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