Qantas Short Haul 2019 EA Negotiations (EA 8)
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Who or what is a professional negotiator? Someone please provide a name and link to the website or qualifications of such a person and then please explain precisely how they would get a better deal.
For example the New Zealand union sent their negotiators overseas and gave them proper training. Coming home with experience to do integrative (increasing the pie) negotiating rather than distributive (fighting for a larger slice of the pie), ANZ happily tried it, whereas Jetstar would only negotiate distributively.
Done correctly a integrative negotiation usually leads to both parties being happy with the deal rather than both parties usually being left disappointed with a distributive negotiation.
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Emphatic +1 for the professional negotiators; this is amateur-hour stuff and frankly, a disgrace.
Is anyone going to mention the international flying elephant in the room? The one that AIPA left out of their summary?
Is anyone going to mention the international flying elephant in the room? The one that AIPA left out of their summary?
Is anyone going to mention the international flying elephant in the room? The one that AIPA left out of their summary?
While doing the suggested Google search for professional negotiators, most of the results were for courses to help businesses combat the good negotiators that unions provide.
Also found this link: https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-becom...nal-negotiator
Essentially it says that the best negotiators are those who are already subject matter experts who then learn specific negotiation skills.
Also found this link: https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-becom...nal-negotiator
Essentially it says that the best negotiators are those who are already subject matter experts who then learn specific negotiation skills.
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I want to know why we are talking about super and allowances as total gross. At JQ our payslips are different so our Gross salary doesn't include any of that. As level 3 FO i did 178k plus allowances and plus super. East coast working harder so their gross would be around 200 plus
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I want to know why we are talking about super and allowances as total gross. At JQ our payslips are different so our Gross salary doesn't include any of that. As level 3 FO i did 178k plus allowances and plus super. East coast working harder so their gross would be around 200 plus
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So..when the inevitably gets voted down,and we miss out on our Bonus, where to from here Mr WW?
I thought it would be close to 60/40, but with no back pay..snowballs chance.
The 6 day pattern request is apparently they were looking at Darwin- Singapore- Mumbai.....
I thought it would be close to 60/40, but with no back pay..snowballs chance.
The 6 day pattern request is apparently they were looking at Darwin- Singapore- Mumbai.....
So..when the inevitably gets voted down,and we miss out on our Bonus, where to from here Mr WW?
I thought it would be close to 60/40, but with no back pay..snowballs chance.
The 6 day pattern request is apparently they were looking at Darwin- Singapore- Mumbai.....
I thought it would be close to 60/40, but with no back pay..snowballs chance.
The 6 day pattern request is apparently they were looking at Darwin- Singapore- Mumbai.....
Vote no for that bollocks
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SIN-BOM-SIN BOC 2 crew?
2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.
For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺
2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.
For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺
Sin-Bom-Sin on the 747 with relief was shattering you would want to go near that.
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SIN-BOM-SIN BOC 2 crew?
2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.
For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺
2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.
For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺
the LH EA is an archaic agreement holding back many careers to favour a few Senior fat cats ( you’ll be where I am one day sonny......)
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Whether a change like this is “substantive” or not is another issue.
Edit: after perusing another forum with a bit less rumour content this change is apparently a company ask.
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