Qantas Short Haul 2019 EA Negotiations (EA 8)
The 76hr duty deduction is a complete farce and I agree with Rated De that it's not kosher
however, what happens to crew once out of the 76hr (employer) rort? Falls back to the old, handed down from the dispute, 3hr credit and you make up the rest... Which is also a complete (employer) rort!
Shame!
Point is any tally of supposed owed funds would need to take that into account, complicated as we're paid in credit hours which the duty hour deduction does not gel with
however, what happens to crew once out of the 76hr (employer) rort? Falls back to the old, handed down from the dispute, 3hr credit and you make up the rest... Which is also a complete (employer) rort!
Shame!
Point is any tally of supposed owed funds would need to take that into account, complicated as we're paid in credit hours which the duty hour deduction does not gel with
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Principle in agreement reached, with roadshows to proceed, this little gem
[QUOTE][Ability for Qantas to inform pilots on the last sector of a pattern to ‘contact crewing on arrival’ via ACARS, rather than in person by ground staff./QUOTE]
ie, you can’t plan anything with a few days off with an AV in the middle, this will result in a 90% plus NO vote, they want to Longhaulize the short haul award without Longhaulizing the pay, the 50% DPC is an insignificant joke anyway. Contactibility is the last sacred bastion of the short haul award anyone voting up this has rocks in their head. Surely this is an in principle agreement by AIPA to deliver a heavy NO vote.
[QUOTE][Ability for Qantas to inform pilots on the last sector of a pattern to ‘contact crewing on arrival’ via ACARS, rather than in person by ground staff./QUOTE]
ie, you can’t plan anything with a few days off with an AV in the middle, this will result in a 90% plus NO vote, they want to Longhaulize the short haul award without Longhaulizing the pay, the 50% DPC is an insignificant joke anyway. Contactibility is the last sacred bastion of the short haul award anyone voting up this has rocks in their head. Surely this is an in principle agreement by AIPA to deliver a heavy NO vote.
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Not getting involved in the greater fight, but couldn’t you be handed a note by ground staff to call crewing? The only change is the air bridge driver can save 30 seconds and not enter the flight deck as soon as the door opens?
I’m pretty sure we had the same system when we were flying the 767 domestically - contact was always via ACARS.
Is the contact requirement different if it’s a ground staffer handing you the note? Or is that not allowed currently?
I’m very interested in the outcome of this EBA - heading to that fleet in the near future.. Interested to hear what the troops like / dislike about any proposed EBA.
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Is the contact requirement different if it’s a ground staffer handing you the note? Or is that not allowed currently?
I’m very interested in the outcome of this EBA - heading to that fleet in the near future.. Interested to hear what the troops like / dislike about any proposed EBA.
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No because you can do a quick change and leave as a passenger at the moment and bypass the ground staff requirement. 767 different ball game it was a long haul award. This will be destroyed so bad I can’t even believe it’s being presented.
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With respect Angle, you’d have to do that on every sector, every day, within 2 minutes of parking. I’m not sure that it’s really something to be worried about.
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Can you not be assigned flying within 5 days of the day of operation? I know it's about contactability. I'm just not sure it really makes any difference.
Do you change in the flight deck, and walk out of the flight deck and stand in the cabin before L1 is open on arrival in your base on the last sector of every trip? If you don't, I'd say it's not a big deal.
Do you change in the flight deck, and walk out of the flight deck and stand in the cabin before L1 is open on arrival in your base on the last sector of every trip? If you don't, I'd say it's not a big deal.
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Are you sure?
And why would Qantas owe pilots money?
I can see that might be the case where someone was forced to take unpaid leave due to running out of sick leave prior to being off work for 10 days in a given year, but you have used ALL pilots in your calculation. Given that sick leave is a potential cost, would not an increase to a pilots leave bank ensure NES compliance? Whereas a cash hand out would not?
As has been stated above, not all duties are 12 hours long. There is a conceivable scenario where depending on the duties planned when sick leave is taken that 76 duty hours means MORE than a 10 day entitlement.
Do Qantas only deduct 7.6 hours? No they do not.
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No we know it’s coming because we can see it on our roster, the ground staff waits up in the lounge so at the moment we leave via rear stairs or Jacobs ladder and get the hell outta there. These days they need flight ops staff not normal ground staff as they are all contractors. The push of an ACARS is easy organising specific staff is hard and we can bypass them anyway, so this will be voted down 80/20 at least.
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The only way they can assign is physical person meeting you atm, unless your stupid enough to answer the phone. This will make it piss easy to fill your roster up with crap between days off.
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Thanks to the Qantas domestic pilots who pointed out the following:
" In a negotiating period, we have had to get a new ipad, that itself requires updating via wi-fi. We have not been paid for that and clearly the expectation is we use our own wifi. Why is the union silent? Surely the company can pay for that?"
Angle of Attack,
if you are a QF pilot, you’re an embarrassment.
you get paid the most out of any domestic airline operation based in Australia and you choose to run and change uniform to escape ground staff?
Grow balls, to start with most 737 FO’s are on $225,000 gross, NOT including super.
They want you to work, just work!
if you are a QF pilot, you’re an embarrassment.
you get paid the most out of any domestic airline operation based in Australia and you choose to run and change uniform to escape ground staff?
Grow balls, to start with most 737 FO’s are on $225,000 gross, NOT including super.
They want you to work, just work!
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Man up, grow some ******* balls, and get a clue about the EBA you are operating under, most 737 FO’s are on $225,000 gross, NOT including super and you have to go around being a bitch about your terms and conditions?
Given times of consecutive bonuses and consecutive record profits it seems a very poor deal.
The economy could slow and you have zero salary protections.
If the company’s mantra is you haven’t been rostered below 74 hours for 10 years then they can afford an MGH of at least
74 hours.
Nothing to address flying lost due training or prior to commencing duty. DPC 50% is rubbish.
Can we get professional negotiators please to assist and stop this nonsense with poorly trained volunteers and getting rolled every EBA. If it’s hitting a block then work to rule like Tiger.
Millions in the bank. Enough amateur hour. AFAP could be worth a look if not.
Im hoping AIPA expect a NO vote. If they sell this hard then I can see members walk.
The economy could slow and you have zero salary protections.
If the company’s mantra is you haven’t been rostered below 74 hours for 10 years then they can afford an MGH of at least
74 hours.
Nothing to address flying lost due training or prior to commencing duty. DPC 50% is rubbish.
Can we get professional negotiators please to assist and stop this nonsense with poorly trained volunteers and getting rolled every EBA. If it’s hitting a block then work to rule like Tiger.
Millions in the bank. Enough amateur hour. AFAP could be worth a look if not.
Im hoping AIPA expect a NO vote. If they sell this hard then I can see members walk.
That’s 40k out. Yes there is the CIP but that still won’t get you anywhere near 225k. If one did 950 credit hours a year, and you add in 10k for allowances, that would require an hourly rate of $226. Reality is an hourly rate of $180-185.
why be so misleading?
why be so misleading?
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