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Old 14th Jun 2019, 15:06
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/u...12-p51wze.html

"Uber's air taxi vision isn't amazing, it's dystopian"

"There is no reason to believe that Uber’s move into aviation would be any different to how it has operated its other business ventures. The sad distinction is there are no second chances when things go wrong thousands of metres up in the air."
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 00:34
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Ya gotta admit guys this is very entertaining at least:-)
The thought of CASA allowing these contraptions to ply the skies (even if it was feasible) in & out of buildings or even to major airports over densely populated area's is amazing in it's own right, it's pie in the sky stuff I believe:-).
Uber should bring out a comic book with the same story line, be more credible:-):-)
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 00:56
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Cattletruck, I think you'll find the ones that defend it or believe for one second that it's credible are the MS sim brigade
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 01:52
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Timeline goals - got to have them!

Development is somewhat proportional to $'s and that can assist in reaching goals or getting closer to the goal.

I think or CAsA will be out played by the likes of a company like Uber, I think Uber would actually love a good public but kicking of a world regulator or two. I expect they have already made a number of moves to have the regulators on the back foot in the court room/s.

Picking the airports as a launch pad for drone public transport is logical, but obviously they have a bigger goal in mind. Something like city transport travel modes monopoly, leased to service providers that offer a monthly travel plan to the public. This on a world scale that would have various plan options.

So Uber (in this case) would end up with the travel rights (pay governments) and own the operating system for all travel within that jurisdiction, Service providers will supply the hardware (Drones, trains, busses and cars/scooters) and offer these modes of transport to the public on a service plan - it is a pick up/drop off service and you buy the plan on your transport needs.

The big hurdle is the air transport sector for a number of reason many listed in this thread, but owning the worlds travel rights would be bigger than Microsoft, Netflix's and all the telco companies combined, so well worth a bit of investment in drone development and political donations.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 04:00
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Something like city transport travel modes monopoly, leased to service providers that offer a monthly travel plan to the public. This on a world scale that would have various plan options.
I just keep coming back to the reality of, what, two or three passengers dropped on the roof of a privately owned CBD "helipad". Now they have a lift ride and walk to their office. How many such pads exist in Australian capital cities? Where do they get picked up in the suburbs? Local city councils are not going to let them mix with park recreational areas unless they fence off an area as a landing site.
As I have said before, helicopters can already do this but they are hardly ubiquitous.

How does all this fit with the low level "drone" delivery corridors that have been discussed?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-...light/10983684
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 05:06
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
I just keep coming back to the reality of, what, two or three passengers dropped on the roof of a privately owned CBD "helipad". Now they have a lift ride and walk to their office. How many such pads exist in Australian capital cities? Where do they get picked up in the suburbs? Local city councils are not going to let them mix with park recreational areas unless they fence off an area as a landing site.
As I have said before, helicopters can already do this but they are hardly ubiquitous.

How does all this fit with the low level "drone" delivery corridors that have been discussed?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-...light/10983684
You are missing the point - privately owned will not exist.

I can see that there will be "terminal areas" access to these areas will be by some thing like a driver-less car to something like a driver-less point to point/s train (Singapore airport terminals) then on to a drone to landing areas on many buildings and other properties. These landing areas will be on some current and many new buildings and be an income revenue for building owners (think shopping centres, sports complex's and other places that need to supply parking).

Giving out a small landing fee per person makes big $'s on volume for building owner (but Uber will control the amount you get or use your neighbour that will do it cheaper), taking over governments transport infrastructure and maintenance costs will be easy sell (bribe).

On several fronts the "big companies" are infiltrating air transport without passengers, this airport shuttle is just another angle but with passengers.

I expect if enough money is thrown at this dream, we could see some experimental flights in drones from a handful of locations near the selected airports inc Melbourne, via a non populated path without passengers in the given time frame. I expect it would be a very expensive flight each time and then take many more expensive flights over several more years to get certification, all tax deductible development costs.

But to own the worlds transport rights including commercial airspace of all(most) countries is a very powerful position to have.

The insurance issue would be assisted by the ICAO limit in many cases so self insurance would be the norm in most countries.

Use of current helicopters in city commute is very different to electric drone type craft in the commute of inner city - An R44 even after the fuel tank mods has many risk assessment issues, such as 1 tail rotor, 1 main rotor, 1 engine and a on-board pilot.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 05:24
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Bend alot:
I presume you will put all your money into Uber shares.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 06:31
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Bend alot:
I presume you will put all your money into Uber shares.
Given the recent event from the FWO decision I read 5 mins ago regarding Uber - could be a good idea!

Court Case won when Foodora ran! But please note this decision may not apply to any other company in the GIG economy doing similar(same) thing!!

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.co...ork-ombudsman/
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 06:58
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You are missing the point - privately owned will not exist.
Maybe I am, isn't Uber "private"?

Giving out a small landing fee per person makes big $'s on volume for building owner
So how many pax per hour compared to say a terrestial bus carrying 70 people or a train carrying hundreds? If the "volume" is really that high, say a movement every two minutes, think of the noise and traffic management issues.

But to own the worlds transport rights including commercial airspace of all(most) countries
But the airspcace is currently owned, by each nation state? How and why would that change? Are you suggesting the commonwealth will sell airspace to say Westfield?

Perhaps I am missing something but for a company that has yet to make a profit how will they fund even the vehicle development cost?
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 07:15
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How many here have waited in the cue to get airborne from a Capital city airport?

Going to make the projected 5-10 minute trip look a little optimistic.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 07:30
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Maybe I am, isn't Uber "private"?



So how many pax per hour compared to say a terrestial bus carrying 70 people or a train carrying hundreds? If the "volume" is really that high, say a movement every two minutes, think of the noise and traffic management issues.

But the airspcace is currently owned, by each nation state? How and why would that change? Are you suggesting the commonwealth will sell airspace to say Westfield?

Perhaps I am missing something but for a company that has yet to make a profit how will they fund even the vehicle development cost?
It will not be actual pax based, but more based on the user based and the subscription and/or status they have. If I have a high level it could be say $500 a month or you a low at $100 a month then that is what the "terminals" will be fighting for. Then terminals supply the best to gain service at a ratio of you and me or one or the other. For Australia I would expect subscriptions to be mostly much higher per month for all travel - I expect a basic plan to be a minimum of $200 per adult and $100 per child per week at current cost if dream is complete.

They sold the bank, the telco, the airports, the electricity and most the rest - so yes the commonwealth have that history.

But not Westfield, that is a bricks and mortar type company, it most likely will be a multi national platform company (that pays tax in a country that it will own)
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 08:20
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Let us all revive this thread in 10 and 20 years. (If Bendy can still afford internet fees with his Uber shares)
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 08:27
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Anyways, like old mate said....."Tell him he is dreaming"....
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 08:32
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Any one have Elon's phone number?

Better option would be his hyper/vacuum tunnel thingy. Terminal straight to centre of CBD. Probably safer, better capacity, less environmental issues, cheaper for users, probably a lot cheaper than the proposed rail link in Melbourne, quick and I'd bet it could be built in a quicker time frame.
We could do a deal like South Australia's big battery.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 10:51
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It will not be actual pax based, but more based on the user based and the subscription and/or status they have. If I have a high level it could be say $500 a month or you a low at $100]
Can you explain that in English.

These craft are small, they are not volume driven given their nature. Landing and take off sites are unknown.

CASA regs define them as an aircraft so the current regs apply, along with all that means.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 11:17
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Can you explain that in English.

These craft are small, they are not volume driven given their nature. Landing and take off sites are unknown.

CASA regs define them as an aircraft so the current regs apply, along with all that means.
What? a train small??

You are missing the big picture it is not a 4 man drone, but a transport network that includes drones (that need development) and all other transport modes.

CAsA will be a by product of international development and if they make waves will be dissolved for the betterment of the government of the day (for a few $'s) as the world wide trend will show.

Transport responsibilities will be outsourced at some stage.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 11:32
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Bend alot, your thinking is quite ahead and possibly valid, after all, most buildings in the CBD are privately owned and quite open to pandering to the needs of a multinational with loads of $$$. However, in the new modern world of real security threats, should an Uber anything be deliberately made to explode killing innocent people in the name of an imaginary friend, or even the thought of that being possible, then you can rest assured the government regulators will take back full control to ensure such a thing is never possible. This is bad news for Uber.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 12:24
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post
Bend alot, your thinking is quite ahead and possibly valid, after all, most buildings in the CBD are privately owned and quite open to pandering to the needs of a multinational with loads of $$$. However, in the new modern world of real security threats, should an Uber anything be deliberately made to explode killing innocent people in the name of an imaginary friend, or even the thought of that being possible, then you can rest assured the government regulators will take back full control to ensure such a thing is never possible. This is bad news for Uber.
No doubt a few sacrifices will be called progress, but it will be a sale of rights from governments - try buy back Telsra, CBA or the airports will never happen WE SOLD THEM.

Yes my thinking is far ahead, but the seeds have and are being sowed and the security of a country is controlled by the media in paces like Australia or Somalia.
I dislike Uber and similar companies but they certainly are making big impacts for companies that do not make profits!

At least cattletruck can see outside the box and the bigger picture that maybe the goal.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 13:35
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try buy back Telsra, CBA or the airports will never happen WE SOLD THEM.
Err, no we did not. The airports are LEASED by the federal government to private companies.


https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/av...ort/index.aspx
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 01:36
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Looks like Embraer is seriously involved in this project. Check out their Flight Plan 2030 white paper.

https://embraerx.embraer.com/global/en/flightplan-2030

A new generation of aircraft, called electric vertical take-off and landing vehicles (eVTOLs, pronounced ee-vee-tols) will soon enable us to redefine the urban mobility experience. Although some eVTOLs may look similar to a helicopter, they will be powered by batteries, hybrid engines, or other new technologies that will make them much quieter than the helicopters of today. Advanced avionics will enable eVTOLs to navigate with high precision, exchange information digitally, and respond to changes in flight conditions autonomously. At initial launch, many eVTOLs will have pilots on board. With time, however, these aircraft will mature to a stage where they will operate autonomously.

The introduction of eVTOLs will challenge our assumptions about urban air mobility. Urban flights will become more affordable, in part, because eVTOLs will use less or no aviation fuel. With no runways required, passengers and goods will depart from “skyports” or “vertiports” (i.e., areas with take-off and landing [TOL] pads) positioned at different locations across the city. From there, they will traverse over an urban area to another skyport in mere minutes. To date, more than 70 companies have already invested over US$1B in the development of eVTOL concept vehicles (Booz Allen Hamilton, 2018). By 2035, forecasters estimate that 23,000 eVTOLs will be serving a global market worth US$74B (Porsche Consulting, 2019).
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