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Old 13th Jun 2019, 10:41
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DUMP - Designed Using Marketing Principles.

Completing an engineering degree is hard, completing a marketing degree is considerably easier. We now have a glut of marketeers who need to be given jobs. So what do they do? They steal the design function from the engineers and churn out this kind of [email protected] over and over again.

CASA won't have to intervene, the laws of physics will take care of that.

Meanwhile expect to see more of this until the public wise up to it and the money for it dries out.

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Old 13th Jun 2019, 14:01
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
What about the INSURANCE angle to all this?
Okay so lets say they get CAA's approval, so they get a commercially viable machine to operate beyond the comic book ideas, so they can have the safety procedures put in place along with the associated redundancies needed to save the day, so they can keep the price down to affordable, so they can get the routes to work & be viable from a commercial aspect....again the insurance will be an interesting pursuit, for Uber & and customers private insurance? A LOT of so's there:-)

I've ordered a truck load of popcorn, doubt that will be enough as we watch this flying circus idea become reality:-):-)
Im sure Youi can sort them out 👍
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 21:18
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Originally Posted by George Glass View Post
V22??? Have a look at its accident record. It could only ever be certified as a military aircraft. They are a nightmare when things go pear-shaped. Enthusiasm for this idiot idea is in inverse proportion to actual aviation experience.


Agusta Westland is currently flight testing the AW609 for the civilian market expected to start certification in 2020

Bell is also expected to release a civilian version of the a V-280. But it only just started flight testing so will be a few years away from certifiction for civ usage
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 22:06
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Neither of those look like cheap pilotless drones.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 22:48
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Neither of those look like cheap pilotless drones.
Why dont you acutally read the thread,

Someone linked the karem as building a tilt rotor "airtaxi"

someone asked how the karem which is a tilt rotor concept airtaxi handles engine failure,

I commented that the V22 and all tilt rotors have a shaft connecting both engine nacels so one engine can power both rotor/props

Then someone else said well the V22 isn't certified for civilian use

I then linked something that is being built for civ use
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 23:09
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Can't see how any 4 seat aeroplane of any design charging $80 a head regardless of distance travelled can possibly make money. When last I looked there were not many Bentley Continentals in the Melbourne Airport cab rank.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 23:48
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Angel Uber's attitude

For those of you who are reliant on CASA's oversight to ensure it is safe, just remember how UBER works. Compliance to current regulation / legislation is not a consideration. That is how they established a foothold in Oz. And when the regulators tried to curtail their activity, UBER developed software to 'isolate' the inspectors / enforcers. Then they decided to sue the ATO over the GST - that has to be very brave - but Big Brother won out there. Then Uber decided to do a deal to transport ATO staff around! What I want to see is a framework that is not only innovative, but also returns the economic benefit back into the community - not to some tax haven in a far away place. Having stirred up the ATO, they have now joined forces with the USA, UK Holland and Belgium to start tracking the money.

I can think of a new name for the enterprise (if it ever gets off he ground). The JETson's shuttle (with apologies to the original TV show. But then again any one who flies in a 'JET' branded aircraft in Oz probably could not afford the taxi fare anyway.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 00:48
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Folks,
As tailwheel and others have alluded, the UBER business model is to ignore the rules --- in bsb speak, a "disruptive" model.
I am looking forward to the day they decide to ignore CASA, Airservices et al as mere impediments to their "business model" and unilaterally decide to introduce a "system" UBER have pronounced as "safe"..
That's what happened with UBER cars. Very few places did not eventually allow the operation.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 02:06
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
Folks,
As tailwheel and others have alluded, the UBER business model is to ignore the rules --- in bsb speak, a "disruptive" model.
I am looking forward to the day they decide to ignore CASA, Airservices et al as mere impediments to their "business model" and unilaterally decide to introduce a "system" UBER have pronounced as "safe"..
That's what happened with UBER cars. Very few places did not eventually allow the operation.
Tootle pip!!
Uber can ignore all the rules it likes but it takes money to develop this technology.

Uber has never made a profit. Where is all the money going to come from? The foray into the taxi business didn't require any new bleeding edge technology, just a rather slick app with some background IT. There's a major quantum step to running Uber air taxis using electric VTOL aircraft.

Also integration into the airspace system is another major step up compared to driving on public roads.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 03:04
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Originally Posted by 27/09 View Post
Uber can ignore all the rules it likes but it takes money to develop this technology.

Uber has never made a profit. Where is all the money going to come from? The foray into the taxi business didn't require any new bleeding edge technology, just a rather slick app with some background IT. There's a major quantum step to running Uber air taxis using electric VTOL aircraft.

Also integration into the airspace system is another major step up compared to driving on public roads.

Just suspend belief in the facts, demonstrated technology and indeed their history and this idea really flies. Ought be good for a 10% share price pop.

Rather like that other misunderstood genius Elon. Despite its last capital raising falling short, the last investor conference call denied any cash-flow issues. Demand to the moon, yet strangely their quarterly deliveries fall short.
A few days later, Elon issues a cash warning stating all expenditures over USD $1 million requires CFO approval..

Don't worry you will be living on Mars next year in a Tesla venture.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 05:15
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CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said the list of challenges for Uber was a long one:
  • The company would have to get a safety certification for the new battery-operated aircraft — which does not exist yet
  • The airspace they would use would have to be managed by authorities
  • The people operating the aircraft would need specialised training
  • Infrastructure for the mini-airports does not yet exist
Gibson won't be a consideration if Uber Air becomes a political decision.

Looking at some of the passenger carrying Drone film footage on the Internet, it certainly appears the basic technical hurdles have certainly been overcome.

Despite our advancing age, I suspect LeadSled and I will still be around to see the first passenger carrying Drones go into service.

And only this morning I read Britain Norman are working on an electrically powered Islander for short range commuting. Just imagine, an Islander where ear muffs aren't compulsory!
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 05:54
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Given that catching an Uber or Taxi is often a cross-cultural experience, can we anticipate the drivers of the manned version will require serious turbin time?
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 06:09
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Flying-spike, turbin time will be mandatory!

So how will it really work, Tullamarine is broken 300'/5km visibilty and then we have the Uber operating into and out of the car park area-interesting to see how it will all work!
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 09:20
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In the 70s Reg Ansett use to run his chopper Bell 206 VH-AND from the Yarra heli pad
(down by the river side, Morley Ford theme) to Gate 2 when he wasn't flying in it.
From memory 7min trip at $8 each. Pax met gate checkin staff on the tarmac and directed
straight to there aircraft.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 09:45
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Let's forget the regulatory (AOC etc) and ATC issues for a moment. The technology being spruiked by the likes of Uber may well eventually be mature enough to attain certification for use in carrying fare paying passengers.

However there is a major difference between Uber Air and the Uber "taxi" service being offered with motor vehicles. When it came to the original Uber service there was already an well established demand for this type of service at a price the man in the street was willing to pay and an existing certified product - the motor car - for delivering the service. There is pretty well no current equivalent to the proposed Uber Air. Not only do they have to perfect the technology they wish to use, they also have to create a market or a demand for the service.

There is currently technology available (helicopters) that can provide an Uber style air taxi service but there is no service. Why? No one is willing to pay what it costs.

Uber and friends think they can develop new technology that will will reduce the cost to a price the masses can afford. I say they are dreaming. Unless they can find a way to make the costs affordable to the masses they are wasting their time.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 10:59
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Originally Posted by 27/09 View Post
Just had a quick look at the Karem link.

Could someone explain to this dumb pilot how an engine failure on take off/landing would be managed, or how easily the asymmetric thrust would be countered in the cruise. The thrust lines are a long way from the longitudinal axis.
The same way it is on the V22? A crossshaft meaning one engine can power both proprotors?
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 11:01
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Originally Posted by tio540 View Post
It must be a late April Fools joke.

So, Uber will fly you to Tullamarine, with a $400,000+ drone, plus pilot, airways charges, parking charges, for roughly the same price as a $23,000 Uber Toyota Corolla can.

Then wait for 12 hours to charge the battery for the return leg.

Some business model.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/06/m...cost-a-kidney/

Latest electric cars can get an 80% charge in as little as 23 mins. You really should keep up.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 11:03
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Originally Posted by George Glass View Post
V22??? Have a look at its accident record. It could only ever be certified as a military aircraft. They are a nightmare when things go pear-shaped. Enthusiasm for this idiot idea is in inverse proportion to actual aviation experience.
Actually have one of the better safety records of the chopper fleet in US service, but do go on.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 12:47
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All they have built so far is a glossy brochure (known as a fluff piece).

I find it quite odd some people here are defending their capabilities based on uninformed things they have seen in the (mostly toy) aviation world and extrapolating that to their own belief system inside their imaginations. If this scam was truly feasible then it would require no marketing, would sell itself, and put a lot of companies out of business, but where it stands at this very moment is that it's just a fluff piece with absolutely nothing practical to demonstrate to any of their doubters.

If only these marketeers had an inkling of knowledge about the laws of physics.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 12:56
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Agusta Westland is currently flight testing the AW609 for the civilian market expected to start certification in 2020
On 6 December 2002, the first ground tests of the BA609 prototype began. So 18 years to get to start certification. How long will certification take for the first civilian tilt-rotor?????
Uber don't even have a mockup of a concept vehicle yet.
I think way too many people think that if you develop an App, the problem is solved.
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