Qf syd-jnb 7700?
The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense.
Don’t confuse Oz with the rest of the world. In this particular backwater, you can request medical priority until the cows come home, but it will make no difference until you pipe up with your ‘pan’ call to the pedant’s society (Australian ATC).
The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense.
The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense.
ok, for the sake of the slow of reading in here I’ll state it again.
I’ve had medical emergencies in Oz and overseas..........etc etc.
One into Melb and I requested and was given priority.....As I was In ADL years ago.....
The last 2 in HKG.....same outcome.
Oz ATC aren’t stupid when you say the words “medical emergency”
I’m not saying it’s wrong to say PAN PAN but I’m my experience if you don’t it didn’t matter. Ok.
over and out....
BEER BARON...
In-flight emergencies | Airservices
Right there.
"A ‘mayday’ call indicates an aircraft is in grave and imminent danger and requires immediate assistance. "
In-flight emergencies | Airservices
Right there.
"A ‘mayday’ call indicates an aircraft is in grave and imminent danger and requires immediate assistance. "
They apparently squawked 7700, that is not a mayday call. Go back and read the excerpts I posted and consider what my point was.
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To the Monday morning quarterbacks here: you ought to be aware that at least one of the pilots on this flight has read all your uninformed insights and opinions.
And if you were to actually speak to him about the events yesterday you might actually rethink what you've expressed from the safety of internet anonymity.
And if you were to actually speak to him about the events yesterday you might actually rethink what you've expressed from the safety of internet anonymity.
How this medical was announced to the world is not really worth 2 pages of arguing. I'm sure ATC are smart enough to assist you if you tell them that you have a medical on board.
Declaring an emergency can also help with the little legalities ( for the CVR and tapes) of dumping 80,000kgs of fuel over Victoria or alternatively landing a tad overweight. I don't have the info as to which option was taken.
Declaring an emergency can also help with the little legalities ( for the CVR and tapes) of dumping 80,000kgs of fuel over Victoria or alternatively landing a tad overweight. I don't have the info as to which option was taken.
re the ”going tech” phrase and
..in Europe, well, certainly in the U.K., yes it is used.
Broadening the U.K. vs. Antipodes differences issues slightly...as a point of interest...inbound to the likes of LHR or LGW if you have a medical problem and want expedited handling and medical assistance on arrival ATC will politely “ask” you to declare an emergency politely, and politely “ask” you to squawk emergency, yes, 7700.
..in Europe, well, certainly in the U.K., yes it is used.
Broadening the U.K. vs. Antipodes differences issues slightly...as a point of interest...inbound to the likes of LHR or LGW if you have a medical problem and want expedited handling and medical assistance on arrival ATC will politely “ask” you to declare an emergency politely, and politely “ask” you to squawk emergency, yes, 7700.
Thanks Beer Baron. I think it is important to look at the history of a Mayday and how 7700 follows. Many aviation standards are directly stolen from the maritime environment. Nav lights are an obvious one. Rules of giving way etc. A Mayday from a vessel indicates that the vessel is in distress, not a passenger on board. As for 7700, on its own, if used after a Mayday or PanPan call it would be redundant. The net result being that an alarm is triggered on the desk of the FIR Manager. Imagine a situation where voice coms are lost then a received 7700 squawk would initially be interpreted as a Mayday, perhaps downgraded to Pan after further information is received somehow. From this extrapolation 7700 seems a strong response to an unwell passenger.
I have had a few unwell passengers on my flights and of course we do everything we can for them, diverting for quicker medical care etc but for the most part luck plays the biggest part. If you have a stroke or serious heart attack between Melbourne and Darwin your chances of a good outcome are low. I have two friends who work in emergency medicine, one as an AO and their tales are sobering.
Notwithstanding all of that, if the PIC wishes to squawk 7700 that is their prerogative. Once alerted ATC can easily ask them to return to their code.
I have had a few unwell passengers on my flights and of course we do everything we can for them, diverting for quicker medical care etc but for the most part luck plays the biggest part. If you have a stroke or serious heart attack between Melbourne and Darwin your chances of a good outcome are low. I have two friends who work in emergency medicine, one as an AO and their tales are sobering.
Notwithstanding all of that, if the PIC wishes to squawk 7700 that is their prerogative. Once alerted ATC can easily ask them to return to their code.
And you wonder why they call us 'Ozstranaughts' overseas. A bunch of nitwits have found yet another utterly pointless thing to bicker about, replete with underlined and bolded copy-pasted regs references no less!
If that pilot came here expecting anything other than abject stupidity then he's ever dumber than the people posting.
I blame you for this J3pipercub.
To the Monday morning quarterbacks here: you ought to be aware that at least one of the pilots on this flight has read all your uninformed insights and opinions.
I blame you for this J3pipercub.
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This board is for Professional Pilots right?
Medical Emergency
5.5.1 A pilot that is not engaged in the transport of patients under HOSP or MEDEVAC operations, should notify ATC of an on board medical emergency by declaring a PAN and appending the words ‘MEDICAL PRIORITY REQUIRED'. The pilot should specify any service attendance requirements such as RFFS. ATC will provide the flight with MEDEVAC priority but will not arrange an ambulance or activate aerodrome emergency procedures unless requested. Declaring a medical emergency does not satisfy the biosecurity pre-reporting requirements specified in GEN 1.3.
5.5.1 A pilot that is not engaged in the transport of patients under HOSP or MEDEVAC operations, should notify ATC of an on board medical emergency by declaring a PAN and appending the words ‘MEDICAL PRIORITY REQUIRED'. The pilot should specify any service attendance requirements such as RFFS. ATC will provide the flight with MEDEVAC priority but will not arrange an ambulance or activate aerodrome emergency procedures unless requested. Declaring a medical emergency does not satisfy the biosecurity pre-reporting requirements specified in GEN 1.3.
I think there was a rule change on this in the last year with you now needing a Pan to get priority as shown above. If you make it a Mayday you will have the full emergency response with all the roads blocked and Hospitals on standby etc etc
You will definately make the front page of the paper if you did that in Sydney at peak hour on a Friday afternoon .
You will definately make the front page of the paper if you did that in Sydney at peak hour on a Friday afternoon .
I think there was a rule change on this in the last year with you now needing a Pan to get priority as shown above. If you make it a Mayday you will have the full emergency response with all the roads blocked and Hospitals on standby etc etc
You will definately make the front page of the paper if you did that in Sydney at peak hour on a Friday afternoon .
You will definately make the front page of the paper if you did that in Sydney at peak hour on a Friday afternoon .
This was already being reported across the web whilst abeam Tasmania, and media crews were all in place at Tullamarine before it even landed.
Flightradar24 and LiveATC gives you a front row seat these days.
I’ve worked overseas where I’ve been called an Austranaut. I wear it with pride when those who are calling us that, are the same ones who don’t even know basic rules to stop them from killing people. Until someone can show me what is wrong with knowing your stuff, I’ll continue to think less of those who have NFI.
I’ve worked overseas where I’ve been called an Austranaut. I wear it with pride when those who are calling us that, are the same ones who don’t even know basic rules to stop them from killing people. Until someone can show me what is wrong with knowing your stuff, I’ll continue to think less of those who have NFI.
Can you believe some of these guys operating overseas don't even know how many rivets their plane has? Talk about a ticking timebomb of ignorance.
Thats it mate, couldn't agree more. God knows all those guys operating safely in Europe and the US with nothing like the severe weather and terrain we have here, just don't cut the mustard compared to the elite aviators we build locally, able to bicker and sternly lecture each other at a moments notice about in no way irrelevant tripe such as the precise wording of the regs in relation to the appropriate moment to squawk emergency in a medical.
Can you believe some of these guys operating overseas don't even know how many rivets their plane has? Talk about a ticking timebomb of ignorance.
Can you believe some of these guys operating overseas don't even know how many rivets their plane has? Talk about a ticking timebomb of ignorance.
. I have had pilots overseas tell me that it’s “fine, don’t worry about it, I know we’re over water” 😐. I still don’t see what is wrong with having a thorough understanding of the rules and having a thorough knowledge of your aircraft to be able to operate it efficiently.
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Don’t confuse Oz with the rest of the world. In this particular backwater, you can request medical priority until the cows come home, but it will make no difference until you pipe up with your ‘pan’ call to the pedant’s society (Australian ATC).
The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense.
The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense.
So Keith, I find you calling Australian ATC "the pedants society" offensive in the extreme. I don't get to choose which rules I comply with. Every thing I say, click on the computer, and write down is recorded and can be used against me. Can you please let me know which rules you disregard and which airline you fly for so I can avoid it in the future.
Regards
Will