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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 03:36
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Originally Posted by ACMS View Post
rubbish, Iíve had several medical emergencies both in Oz and overseas with diversions en route and at destination before, didnít you read my post?

Simply declared a medical emergency, requested priority and it WAS DONE.
High speed direct number 1, all ok.
Donít confuse Oz with the rest of the world. In this particular backwater, you can request medical priority until the cows come home, but it will make no difference until you pipe up with your Ďpaní call to the pedantís society (Australian ATC).

The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 04:28
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Originally Posted by Keith Myath View Post
Donít confuse Oz with the rest of the world. In this particular backwater, you can request medical priority until the cows come home, but it will make no difference until you pipe up with your Ďpaní call to the pedantís society (Australian ATC).

The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense.

ok, for the sake of the slow of reading in here Iíll state it again.

Iíve had medical emergencies in Oz and overseas..........etc etc.

One into Melb and I requested and was given priority.....As I was In ADL years ago.....

The last 2 in HKG.....same outcome.

Oz ATC arenít stupid when you say the words ďmedical emergencyĒ

Iím not saying itís wrong to say PAN PAN but Iím my experience if you donít it didnít matter. Ok.

over and out....
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 05:13
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
BEER BARON...

In-flight emergencies | Airservices

Right there.

"A Ďmaydayí call indicates an aircraft is in grave and imminent danger and requires immediate assistance. "
Thanks for the capital letters Icarus2001. Now that you have my full attention can you indicate where anyone stated that they made a mayday call???

They apparently squawked 7700, that is not a mayday call. Go back and read the excerpts I posted and consider what my point was.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 05:30
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"over and out...."
And the rest of your radio procedures ..................................???
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 06:51
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Originally Posted by ringbinder View Post
And the rest of your radio procedures ..................................???
Unreadable, say again slowly.

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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 10:59
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To the Monday morning quarterbacks here: you ought to be aware that at least one of the pilots on this flight has read all your uninformed insights and opinions.

And if you were to actually speak to him about the events yesterday you might actually rethink what you've expressed from the safety of internet anonymity.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 12:51
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How this medical was announced to the world is not really worth 2 pages of arguing. I'm sure ATC are smart enough to assist you if you tell them that you have a medical on board.

Declaring an emergency can also help with the little legalities ( for the CVR and tapes) of dumping 80,000kgs of fuel over Victoria or alternatively landing a tad overweight. I don't have the info as to which option was taken.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 13:59
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re the ”going tech” phrase and

Originally Posted by mrdeux View Post
Amongst pilots?
..in Europe, well, certainly in the U.K., yes it is used.

Broadening the U.K. vs. Antipodes differences issues slightly...as a point of interest...inbound to the likes of LHR or LGW if you have a medical problem and want expedited handling and medical assistance on arrival ATC will politely “ask” you to declare an emergency politely, and politely “ask” you to squawk emergency, yes, 7700.


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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 14:35
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Thanks Beer Baron. I think it is important to look at the history of a Mayday and how 7700 follows. Many aviation standards are directly stolen from the maritime environment. Nav lights are an obvious one. Rules of giving way etc. A Mayday from a vessel indicates that the vessel is in distress, not a passenger on board. As for 7700, on its own, if used after a Mayday or PanPan call it would be redundant. The net result being that an alarm is triggered on the desk of the FIR Manager. Imagine a situation where voice coms are lost then a received 7700 squawk would initially be interpreted as a Mayday, perhaps downgraded to Pan after further information is received somehow. From this extrapolation 7700 seems a strong response to an unwell passenger.
I have had a few unwell passengers on my flights and of course we do everything we can for them, diverting for quicker medical care etc but for the most part luck plays the biggest part. If you have a stroke or serious heart attack between Melbourne and Darwin your chances of a good outcome are low. I have two friends who work in emergency medicine, one as an AO and their tales are sobering.
Notwithstanding all of that, if the PIC wishes to squawk 7700 that is their prerogative. Once alerted ATC can easily ask them to return to their code.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 23:50
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And you wonder why they call us 'Ozstranaughts' overseas. A bunch of nitwits have found yet another utterly pointless thing to bicker about, replete with underlined and bolded copy-pasted regs references no less!

To the Monday morning quarterbacks here: you ought to be aware that at least one of the pilots on this flight has read all your uninformed insights and opinions.
If that pilot came here expecting anything other than abject stupidity then he's ever dumber than the people posting.

I blame you for this J3pipercub.

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 05:49
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Post This board is for Professional Pilots right?

Medical Emergency

5.5.1 A pilot that is not engaged in the transport of patients under HOSP or MEDEVAC operations, should notify ATC of an on board medical emergency by declaring a PAN and appending the words ĎMEDICAL PRIORITY REQUIRED'. The pilot should specify any service attendance requirements such as RFFS. ATC will provide the flight with MEDEVAC priority but will not arrange an ambulance or activate aerodrome emergency procedures unless requested. Declaring a medical emergency does not satisfy the biosecurity pre-reporting requirements specified in GEN 1.3.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 06:06
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I think there was a rule change on this in the last year with you now needing a Pan to get priority as shown above. If you make it a Mayday you will have the full emergency response with all the roads blocked and Hospitals on standby etc etc
You will definately make the front page of the paper if you did that in Sydney at peak hour on a Friday afternoon .
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 06:37
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
I think there was a rule change on this in the last year with you now needing a Pan to get priority as shown above. If you make it a Mayday you will have the full emergency response with all the roads blocked and Hospitals on standby etc etc
You will definately make the front page of the paper if you did that in Sydney at peak hour on a Friday afternoon .
Any 7700 will make the news these days.

This was already being reported across the web whilst abeam Tasmania, and media crews were all in place at Tullamarine before it even landed.

Flightradar24 and LiveATC gives you a front row seat these days.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 09:28
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
And you wonder why they call us 'Ozstranaughts' overseas. A bunch of nitwits have found yet another utterly pointless thing to bicker about, replete with underlined and bolded copy-pasted regs references no less!.
Iíve worked overseas where Iíve been called an Austranaut. I wear it with pride when those who are calling us that, are the same ones who donít even know basic rules to stop them from killing people. Until someone can show me what is wrong with knowing your stuff, Iíll continue to think less of those who have NFI.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 00:26
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Originally Posted by morno View Post


Iíve worked overseas where Iíve been called an Austranaut. I wear it with pride when those who are calling us that, are the same ones who donít even know basic rules to stop them from killing people. Until someone can show me what is wrong with knowing your stuff, Iíll continue to think less of those who have NFI.
Thats it mate, couldn't agree more. God knows all those guys operating safely in Europe and the US with nothing like the severe weather and terrain we have here, just don't cut the mustard compared to the elite aviators we build locally, able to bicker and sternly lecture each other at a moments notice about in no way irrelevant tripe such as the precise wording of the regs in relation to the appropriate moment to squawk emergency in a medical.

Can you believe some of these guys operating overseas don't even know how many rivets their plane has? Talk about a ticking timebomb of ignorance.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 07:09
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
Thats it mate, couldn't agree more. God knows all those guys operating safely in Europe and the US with nothing like the severe weather and terrain we have here, just don't cut the mustard compared to the elite aviators we build locally, able to bicker and sternly lecture each other at a moments notice about in no way irrelevant tripe such as the precise wording of the regs in relation to the appropriate moment to squawk emergency in a medical.

Can you believe some of these guys operating overseas don't even know how many rivets their plane has? Talk about a ticking timebomb of ignorance.
What a numbnut you are. Iím not talking about knowing how many f**king rivets the aircraft has! Iím talking about pilots who donít even know the requirements for descent below MSA in IMC or Night. Basic shit which people get called Austronauts for but will keep you alive . I have had pilots overseas tell me that itís ďfine, donít worry about it, I know weíre over waterĒ 😐.

I still donít see what is wrong with having a thorough understanding of the rules and having a thorough knowledge of your aircraft to be able to operate it efficiently.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 08:07
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I blame you for this J3pipercub.
Why blame J3?.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 10:02
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Why blame J3?.
J3 is his nemesis....
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 01:53
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Originally Posted by Keith Myath View Post
Donít confuse Oz with the rest of the world. In this particular backwater, you can request medical priority until the cows come home, but it will make no difference until you pipe up with your Ďpaní call to the pedantís society (Australian ATC).

The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense.
A little history for this one. Australia used to have MED1 and MED2 categories. If pilot called with a medical emergency we would simply put a MED1 in the label and the flight data record and you would get priority. A few years back they powers that be realised this was not consistent with ICAO so it was changed to MEDEVAC and HOSP categories. We continued to treat pilot declared medical emergencies as before by putting MEDEVAC in the flight data record and giving you priority. A little while latter the powers that be, came to release that this was not appropriate as it doesn't meet the definitions of a MEDEVAC flight so we were told that you have to get the pilots to call PAN before any priority could be given. We were told that this is how it happens in the rest of the world. This is where we are today. I had hoped that after a little while of "incidents" appearing in the news etc, and the bullshit of having to ask the "PAN declared checklist questions", that sanity would prevail and the airlines ask for it to be changed back to something sensible.

So Keith, I find you calling Australian ATC "the pedants society" offensive in the extreme. I don't get to choose which rules I comply with. Every thing I say, click on the computer, and write down is recorded and can be used against me. Can you please let me know which rules you disregard and which airline you fly for so I can avoid it in the future.

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Old 8th Jun 2019, 10:11
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