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Old 22nd May 2019, 11:25
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
What about the costs of delays and rescue flights? Ask Network pilots about the rate of breakdowns.

Exactly. The clients will want "modern" aircraft, as you say...

FNJ 1993
FNR 1994
FNY 1994
FNU 1991
NHP 1992
NHC 1993
FKD 1991
UQD 1993
XWQ 1990

25 to 29 years old.
You might like to check the BITRE stats before talking about breakdowns on F100’s. Whilst you’re there, check out the On time performance.

It would seem that the old birds do ok when used ‘sparingly’, with the right support. A model suited to WA.

An 8 year old aircraft sounds expensive, I suspect Cobham got a good deal courtesy of the Virgin Shareholders.

Agree that the F100, like any machine, will have a limitation to it’s life span. My point is not that, rather that the timing is not right to replace with 8 year old aircraft, especially in a low utilisation environment like WA.

This is why I suspect QantasLink are putting older ex Jetstar A320’s in
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Old 22nd May 2019, 15:03
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AerocatS2A,

That's right, the the workers don't sign the checks, the MINERS do. And cutting costs is king, ask anyone who works at BHP, RIO, FMG or Roy Hill.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 22:49
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With VA feeling the need to gift BNE - CNS to alliance a couple days a week, possibly the opening of return for the ejets? Still paying leases on a few.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 23:05
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Not with the new boss in charge.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 02:48
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exfocx sorry to disagree in part but that's what discussion is all about eh.
Most tradies I'm dealing with can't swat the mines away from them offering jobs throughout WA and there's even more action occuring after this latest election result!
Yes, what you say is true for the Mine owners signing the cheques but that doesn't contribute to the full Brand, only part.
There is an enormous amount of other business contracts & discretionnary ticket buyers nationawide, far removed from the mining industry who are now often inconvenienced by the "race to the bottom", cutting frontline costs but not managerial i.e. the older seating; cheap box meals and regular break downs of the QF fleet. Two I've dealt with this last month no longer fly QF and cut up their FreqFlyer cards.
There's a point where making millions running "pigs with lipstick" isn't as efficient as newer airframes. VANZ's / Poly Blue's profits when it first started, with new B738's, a classic case in point.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 06:11
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So they cut their QF cards up to fly with VA on.... the same old type of shitty clapped out aeroplane that QLink uses 😹




Originally Posted by Chocks Away View Post
exfocx sorry to disagree in part but that's what discussion is all about eh.
Most tradies I'm dealing with can't swat the mines away from them offering jobs throughout WA and there's even more action occuring after this latest election result!
Yes, what you say is true for the Mine owners signing the cheques but that doesn't contribute to the full Brand, only part.
There is an enormous amount of other business contracts & discretionnary ticket buyers nationawide, far removed from the mining industry who are now often inconvenienced by the "race to the bottom", cutting frontline costs but not managerial i.e. the older seating; cheap box meals and regular break downs of the QF fleet. Two I've dealt with this last month no longer fly QF and cut up their FreqFlyer cards.
There's a point where making millions running "pigs with lipstick" isn't as efficient as newer airframes. VANZ's / Poly Blue's profits when it first started, with new B738's, a classic case in point.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 13:03
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Chocks Away,

That might be so for the gold mines, but from the people I know at the majors they're having no problem with churn (WA). I know a numbers in the electrical trades and not a lot of work out there.

I thought this was more to do with FIFO equipment replacement.
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Old 25th May 2019, 16:56
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Topend - you assume too much. It doesn't automatically mean they go to VA.
exfocx - yes it still is about FIFO but I guess the discussion transgressed into regional RPT also, as Cobham have the luxury of crossing over into nationwide RPT as well as other big contracts and VA used such airframes (E190) extensively.
Interesting discussion but the question remains who is going to outlay the first big dollars for upgrages onto more efficient newer types and tussle with CASA? So far it has only been those type-frames already on the register.
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Old 26th May 2019, 00:39
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Alliance Airlines, Virgin Australia to launch Melbourne to Kununurra flights in 2020

More VA flying to Alliance. At this rate, VA will just become a travel agent selling tickets for Alliance.
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Old 26th May 2019, 01:43
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but the question remains who is going to outlay the first big dollars for upgrages onto more efficient newer types and tussle with CASA?
Well aren't we seeing the answer to that? Cobham. They ran their Ejet for three years and now have another.

Any operator in Australia who wants to use this type will not have much of a "tussle" with CASA as they are a known type, unlike say an SSJ or Airbus 220.
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Old 26th May 2019, 02:49
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
Alliance Airlines, Virgin Australia to launch Melbourne to Kununurra flights in 2020

More VA flying to Alliance. At this rate, VA will just become a travel agent selling tickets for Alliance.
E170, ATR, Skywest, Tiger, Alliance, E190, none of these things have had any effect on career progression for VAA pilots apparently.

The idea is to farm off as much as possible regardless of the outcome or product. Won’t be long you’ll see VARA and Alliance on the triangle.

Its hilarious watching your career go down the drain.
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Old 27th May 2019, 01:17
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Icarus, please read IT ALL, before shooting off... especially my last sentence!
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Old 27th May 2019, 02:11
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With Qantas probably getting more of a cut from the flying than Virgin (if the stake is approved).

Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
Alliance Airlines, Virgin Australia to launch Melbourne to Kununurra flights in 2020

More VA flying to Alliance. At this rate, VA will just become a travel agent selling tickets for Alliance.
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