Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA
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Reason two, i will not give up- affected members
Reason Two I will not give up- Affected members.
Simjet- business ceased proposed operations.
Whitestar – operating business closed
MFT-oprerating business closed after 15 years.
Newcastle aero club- proposed member, ceased operations.
ARC- downgraded to Part 141, loss of Part 142, RTO capability, International Student training approval.
LTF- Placed under pressure as it accelerates its own Part 141/142 approval because of doubts about APTAs CASA approval.
Ballarat Aero Club- now struggling to continue due to a lack of qualified Key Personnel
Latrobe Valley Aero Club- struggling to continue due to a lack of qualified Key Personnel.
AVIA- plans for significant growth curtailed.
And that’s without the many hundreds of millions of dollars of pilot training contracts that have now been lost to overseas.
And that’s without the many people whose livelihoods have been affected.
Simjet- business ceased proposed operations.
Whitestar – operating business closed
MFT-oprerating business closed after 15 years.
Newcastle aero club- proposed member, ceased operations.
ARC- downgraded to Part 141, loss of Part 142, RTO capability, International Student training approval.
LTF- Placed under pressure as it accelerates its own Part 141/142 approval because of doubts about APTAs CASA approval.
Ballarat Aero Club- now struggling to continue due to a lack of qualified Key Personnel
Latrobe Valley Aero Club- struggling to continue due to a lack of qualified Key Personnel.
AVIA- plans for significant growth curtailed.
And that’s without the many hundreds of millions of dollars of pilot training contracts that have now been lost to overseas.
And that’s without the many people whose livelihoods have been affected.
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Reason Three- I wont give up
As CASA always says; "Just do what you will say you do in your manuals and procedures"
I respect that, but also expect CASA to do the same, and that extends to
Their own Regulatory Philiosphy
The Ministers own Statement of Expectations
CASAS own Enforcement Manual
Acting in accordance with the PMs own stated expectations of the public service.
Administrative law
Proceduyral Fairness etc
I respect that, but also expect CASA to do the same, and that extends to
Their own Regulatory Philiosphy
The Ministers own Statement of Expectations
CASAS own Enforcement Manual
Acting in accordance with the PMs own stated expectations of the public service.
Administrative law
Proceduyral Fairness etc
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Reason Four I wont give up- because i owe people money
I wont be the first school to go bankrupt in this industry, I know it because ive been flying since the early 80s.
I may be the first to fully step up to the plate, say here I am. I want to pay each and every one of you 100%, and I am not going anywhere until those people know I did absolutely everything in my power to pay them 100%. CASA have left me no capacity to pay, and that I what I am working towards.
As I put in writing to CASA on many occasions, their action would cost my business at least $10,000 a week to operate. After 1 year that figure totalled approximately $500,000, as I repeatedly told CASA. With the restrictions on my trade, I could not solve the problem. I battled on expecting an outcome, and an ability to return to trade. CASA never resolved this, and I am left holding the debt.
That includes, aircraft owners, Andy Mac, Gerard Lappin, Malcom Yates, Jeff Kissubi, Express, Tony Kidd, my parents, etc etc etc.
Before I get 1 cent of anything, or even think about clawing back my life, these debts will be resolved!!!!!
I may be the first to fully step up to the plate, say here I am. I want to pay each and every one of you 100%, and I am not going anywhere until those people know I did absolutely everything in my power to pay them 100%. CASA have left me no capacity to pay, and that I what I am working towards.
As I put in writing to CASA on many occasions, their action would cost my business at least $10,000 a week to operate. After 1 year that figure totalled approximately $500,000, as I repeatedly told CASA. With the restrictions on my trade, I could not solve the problem. I battled on expecting an outcome, and an ability to return to trade. CASA never resolved this, and I am left holding the debt.
That includes, aircraft owners, Andy Mac, Gerard Lappin, Malcom Yates, Jeff Kissubi, Express, Tony Kidd, my parents, etc etc etc.
Before I get 1 cent of anything, or even think about clawing back my life, these debts will be resolved!!!!!
I wont be the first school to go bankrupt in this industry, I know it because ive been flying since the early 80s.
I may be the first to fully step up to the plate, say here I am. I want to pay each and every one of you 100%, and I am not going anywhere until those people know I did absolutely everything in my power to pay them 100%. CASA have left me no capacity to pay, and that I what I am working towards.
As I put in writing to CASA on many occasions, their action would cost my business at least $10,000 a week to operate. After 1 year that figure totalled approximately $500,000, as I repeatedly told CASA. With the restrictions on my trade, I could not solve the problem. I battled on expecting an outcome, and an ability to return to trade. CASA never resolved this, and I am left holding the debt.
That includes, aircraft owners, Andy Mac, Gerard Lappin, Malcom Yates, Jeff Kissubi, Express, Tony Kidd, my parents, etc etc etc.
Before I get 1 cent of anything, or even think about clawing back my life, these debts will be resolved!!!!!
I may be the first to fully step up to the plate, say here I am. I want to pay each and every one of you 100%, and I am not going anywhere until those people know I did absolutely everything in my power to pay them 100%. CASA have left me no capacity to pay, and that I what I am working towards.
As I put in writing to CASA on many occasions, their action would cost my business at least $10,000 a week to operate. After 1 year that figure totalled approximately $500,000, as I repeatedly told CASA. With the restrictions on my trade, I could not solve the problem. I battled on expecting an outcome, and an ability to return to trade. CASA never resolved this, and I am left holding the debt.
That includes, aircraft owners, Andy Mac, Gerard Lappin, Malcom Yates, Jeff Kissubi, Express, Tony Kidd, my parents, etc etc etc.
Before I get 1 cent of anything, or even think about clawing back my life, these debts will be resolved!!!!!
Wawa zone, you might invest your money, but no investor I know (starting with the entire venture capital crowd and high net worth squad) is going to touch an investment where some person from CASA can decide to do a Glen Buckley on you.
Investing because you “have political contacts” or “know someone in CASA’ or “know how to keep in good with CASA’ or “know how to get CASA to fix things” has a name; it’s called official corruption and it’s a felony.
If you have any examples, we’d like to know.
Investing because you “have political contacts” or “know someone in CASA’ or “know how to keep in good with CASA’ or “know how to get CASA to fix things” has a name; it’s called official corruption and it’s a felony.
If you have any examples, we’d like to know.
Sunfish, the venture capital and high net worth crowd are going to look at a coinciding business and political opportunity and then pay a visit to the Minister for political approval, which translates to the politician's ethos of maximisation of political benefit and minimisation of political risk. CASA will then be briefed from the political end, as opposed to first getting an application for an AOC from someone. No serious investor I know is going to touch an investment without this protection.
Also no serious investor is going to touch a piston GA operation per se unless they are a proprietor of same, with industry experience. Walk around any GA airfield and see a dozen of them beavering away. I have already alluded above to the care and feeding of the CASA Man by operators at this level. Do you think Joyce at QF bends over and jumps through hoops ?
Re your four phrases bound by inverted commas; none are a criminal offence unless they lead to criminal conduct after the golf afternoon is over. I have just described the necessity for political contacts if you intend hauling lots of passengers.
Speaking of golf days, lets go back in time. Lets imagine that Bloggs, an established out-of-area RPT Metro operator wants to displace three established PA31 RPT AOC holders within a potential new market. He reasons that the local Member(s) would like to take credit for a new flash shiny airline and that CASA would like to reduce the number of AOC's it has to administer; ie., benefits for all. After he establishes that the three existing battlers have little contact or pull with the local MP, a few feelers go out. Within a year the march of history has rolled on, the Banks have recovered the fully secured loans for the ratty PA31's, a couple of the ex-RPT route holders have gone bust, and everyone is cruising around in Metros.
Good idea ? Not for some, but is there not a nett benefit for everyone else ?
How did Bloggs get established enough to run a fleet of Metro's?
Bend, how high ? Well, as high as the political equation goes. I bet (in the current era) Scotty Morrison would refrain from dealing with anything below Mining and Technology. In the era of my example ... Bloggs and his Metros (and the financiers) are purely hypothetical, old boy !
This does allow some interesting wargaming, however.
Scenario - it is not an aggressive operator who initiates the Metro hypothetical, but the CASA Man himself who acquires some elementary golfing skills and sends out the feelers, motivated by a need to simplify his control of the industry and get rid of flying wrecks and their numerous operators. I have mentioned 'benefits' in my post above; are these benefits in any way devalued by the fact that regulatory rather than commercial maneuverings would eventually lead to a more generally beneficial end-state ?
Lead Balloon will possibly be asking if such action is ultra vires - 'beyond the power' wrt the CASA Man as an individual person and/or as a statutory entity.
This does allow some interesting wargaming, however.
Scenario - it is not an aggressive operator who initiates the Metro hypothetical, but the CASA Man himself who acquires some elementary golfing skills and sends out the feelers, motivated by a need to simplify his control of the industry and get rid of flying wrecks and their numerous operators. I have mentioned 'benefits' in my post above; are these benefits in any way devalued by the fact that regulatory rather than commercial maneuverings would eventually lead to a more generally beneficial end-state ?
Lead Balloon will possibly be asking if such action is ultra vires - 'beyond the power' wrt the CASA Man as an individual person and/or as a statutory entity.
Bend, how high ? Well, as high as the political equation goes. I bet (in the current era) Scotty Morrison would refrain from dealing with anything below Mining and Technology. In the era of my example ... Bloggs and his Metros (and the financiers) are purely hypothetical, old boy !
This does allow some interesting wargaming, however.
Scenario - it is not an aggressive operator who initiates the Metro hypothetical, but the CASA Man himself who acquires some elementary golfing skills and sends out the feelers, motivated by a need to simplify his control of the industry and get rid of flying wrecks and their numerous operators. I have mentioned 'benefits' in my post above; are these benefits in any way devalued by the fact that regulatory rather than commercial maneuverings would eventually lead to a more generally beneficial end-state ?
Lead Balloon will possibly be asking if such action is ultra vires - 'beyond the power' wrt the CASA Man as an individual person and/or as a statutory entity.
This does allow some interesting wargaming, however.
Scenario - it is not an aggressive operator who initiates the Metro hypothetical, but the CASA Man himself who acquires some elementary golfing skills and sends out the feelers, motivated by a need to simplify his control of the industry and get rid of flying wrecks and their numerous operators. I have mentioned 'benefits' in my post above; are these benefits in any way devalued by the fact that regulatory rather than commercial maneuverings would eventually lead to a more generally beneficial end-state ?
Lead Balloon will possibly be asking if such action is ultra vires - 'beyond the power' wrt the CASA Man as an individual person and/or as a statutory entity.
When the media got hold of it over the weekend, CAsA reply was that the operator read the letter wrong! and that company was not grounded (only a sister company was) and that they had given the company till Monday to reply!! (a little odd letter COB Friday and required to reply Monday).
I had a chance to read the Friday letter, but did not - it would be very hard (impossible) to interpret that all aircraft were not grounded, I was told.
CAsA following the wishes of our elected governments would be a good thing, even just one of our governments. But CAsA has long been off the chain.
This is drifting off Glen, natural I suppose while we’re all waiting with bated breath to hear anything about the potential litigation we’ve funded. Glen appears in the last few days to have followed LB’s (and others) good advice to stop engaging with the brick wall that is CASA.
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allegation of malfeasance.
Laying low except to advise that a formal allegation of malfeasance against an individual in CASA has been lodged with the Commonwealth Ombudsman.
You’ve been sucked into the system and now will get nothing. You have walked into the Ombudsman’s zone where the lawyers have the upper hand. Before you did that, you were operating in the court of public opinion which is what your tormentors really feared.
Now you are operating in an environment where the watchwords are “procedural fairness and natural justice”......but not for YOU but for THEM. You are now the accuser and the delicate little flowers you’ve accused must have their rights protected. The onus of proof is now on you and the Ombudsman, all your defendants have to show is that they. were operating according to what they believed was the law. But what would I know, I’m not a lawyer.
Now you are operating in an environment where the watchwords are “procedural fairness and natural justice”......but not for YOU but for THEM. You are now the accuser and the delicate little flowers you’ve accused must have their rights protected. The onus of proof is now on you and the Ombudsman, all your defendants have to show is that they. were operating according to what they believed was the law. But what would I know, I’m not a lawyer.
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On the other hand -
It could also be that the complainant can be seen to have used the appropriate channels to remediate the issues prior to the time & effort associated with court hearings.
If you were the presiding magistrate, do you think you would like to hear that all relevant remedial options have been exhausted prior to court proceedings? I would.
It could also be that the complainant can be seen to have used the appropriate channels to remediate the issues prior to the time & effort associated with court hearings.
If you were the presiding magistrate, do you think you would like to hear that all relevant remedial options have been exhausted prior to court proceedings? I would.
In any event, neither the Ombudsman nor the AFP has any power to give you or make anyone else give you compensation.
Now that you’ve reached the ostensibly arbitrary but presumably-to-you magic $50K, you should spend some of it on getting expert advice.
mis or mal..does CAsA give a rats?
CAsA has a gold pass in describing criminality of their staff..its called a Code of Conduct. Theircode is a sick joke if ever there was one.
Carmody, aided and abetted by the Smart Aleck, McComick and Co...called serious allegations 'just possible breaches of the code.and spent a bucket load of taxpayers dollars to confirm what they already knew...breached the code.
Not only that , the AFP advised Smart Aleck in 2009 that those employees had breached the Criminal Code 1914 , Secs for perjury and conspiracy, and obviously collaborated in the making of those statements.
I was never advised of those findings by either the AFP or CAsA , to whom I had made the allegations of serious criminality and submitted proving material.
CAsA perverted the course of justice, thus protecting the 3 Amigos / employees from criminal sanctions.
And the Legal Pervert proved his worth, and seriously warped mind-set in 2014 by stating in the public domain...that no CAsA person had falsified evidence.!!
And CAsA continually claim ..due process and natural justice. BULSH*T !!
We need that Judicial Inquiry.
CAsA has a gold pass in describing criminality of their staff..its called a Code of Conduct. Theircode is a sick joke if ever there was one.
Carmody, aided and abetted by the Smart Aleck, McComick and Co...called serious allegations 'just possible breaches of the code.and spent a bucket load of taxpayers dollars to confirm what they already knew...breached the code.
Not only that , the AFP advised Smart Aleck in 2009 that those employees had breached the Criminal Code 1914 , Secs for perjury and conspiracy, and obviously collaborated in the making of those statements.
I was never advised of those findings by either the AFP or CAsA , to whom I had made the allegations of serious criminality and submitted proving material.
CAsA perverted the course of justice, thus protecting the 3 Amigos / employees from criminal sanctions.
And the Legal Pervert proved his worth, and seriously warped mind-set in 2014 by stating in the public domain...that no CAsA person had falsified evidence.!!
And CAsA continually claim ..due process and natural justice. BULSH*T !!
We need that Judicial Inquiry.
That is the way CASA protects itself Glen. The pawns are removed from the Chessboard. Then, when you seek justice, you are just punching air - there is no one left who knows anything about the actions that were taken. All that is left is a file - which has been carefully manicured (possibly in defiance of the public records Act). Was injustice done? Who knows? It's all ancient history. Time to move on.
My opinion, for what its worth, which is not much, is that you were seen as a threat to "the Iron Ring" because APTA had the potential to reach "critical mass".
By "critical mass", I mean attaining a deeper knowledge and experience of the part 141(?) training school regulations and operation than CASA itself possessed, along with the financial resources and weight of numbers to make your voice heard and thus start driving the future directions of training school development.
I have seen this situation develop in other industries - where a company becomes more knowledgeable about industry issues then their regulators and starts driving the debate. In my case, like a good public servant, I welcomed their contributions and invited them on board. It appears CASA hates the idea of not being in complete control, so their response was to destroy you.
BTW, poster "Swells" paid you a compliment in the thread about SOAR aviation, after remarking on the abject failure of the regulators to reign in that school:
My opinion, for what its worth, which is not much, is that you were seen as a threat to "the Iron Ring" because APTA had the potential to reach "critical mass".
By "critical mass", I mean attaining a deeper knowledge and experience of the part 141(?) training school regulations and operation than CASA itself possessed, along with the financial resources and weight of numbers to make your voice heard and thus start driving the future directions of training school development.
I have seen this situation develop in other industries - where a company becomes more knowledgeable about industry issues then their regulators and starts driving the debate. In my case, like a good public servant, I welcomed their contributions and invited them on board. It appears CASA hates the idea of not being in complete control, so their response was to destroy you.
BTW, poster "Swells" paid you a compliment in the thread about SOAR aviation, after remarking on the abject failure of the regulators to reign in that school:
....but one honest intensions flying school wants to start up a remote base with the right intentions ..., and all hell breaks loose.
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"By "critical mass", I mean attaining a deeper knowledge and experience of the part 141(?) training school regulations and operation than CASA itself possessed,"
What makes you think CAsA has the slightest understanding of their own Reg's?
I recall mention of the pilot who ditched at Norfolk. Did he or didn't he breach any regulations? Ten CAsA incompetents canvassed, I believe it was fifty fifty for and against.
Unfortunately the guy with the anger management issues in CAsA deemed the pilot guilty, even before any formal examination by the ATSB had begun.
I imagine the legal guy with the missing marbles and expertise in Voo Doo magic deemed prosecution problematic for a guilty verdict so an administrative Purgatory was ordered.
I agree with you Sunny, poor old Glen became a threat and once the hierarchy finally twigged he was buggered.
Aint it grand that in Australia the bureaucrats work feverishly to stifle innovation and enterprise, anything that they perceive may be a threat to their rice bowl.
What makes you think CAsA has the slightest understanding of their own Reg's?
I recall mention of the pilot who ditched at Norfolk. Did he or didn't he breach any regulations? Ten CAsA incompetents canvassed, I believe it was fifty fifty for and against.
Unfortunately the guy with the anger management issues in CAsA deemed the pilot guilty, even before any formal examination by the ATSB had begun.
I imagine the legal guy with the missing marbles and expertise in Voo Doo magic deemed prosecution problematic for a guilty verdict so an administrative Purgatory was ordered.
I agree with you Sunny, poor old Glen became a threat and once the hierarchy finally twigged he was buggered.
Aint it grand that in Australia the bureaucrats work feverishly to stifle innovation and enterprise, anything that they perceive may be a threat to their rice bowl.