Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions
Reload this Page >

Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA

The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA

Old 16th Oct 2019, 11:58
  #701 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Victoria
Age: 59
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by glenb
In posts 460,461,and 462 you can review the direction by the Regional Manager to my employer that my position was untenable. My employment ceased as a result of that email, and I lodged a complaint to the ICC. The report is attached. You will need to be a Member to open it. Membership is a straightforward process.
Who is this bloke, out of control

Last edited by Shipwreck00; 16th Oct 2019 at 18:29.
Shipwreck00 is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2019, 20:13
  #702 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 58
Posts: 1,103
Received 70 Likes on 36 Posts
Direction made by CASA Rgional Manager to terminate my employment

For complete clarity.

I urged this person not to get involved, in fact I pleaded to him. Previously he had portrayed himself as someone out to help me. He adopted a three stage process.


Initially he was instrumental in the destruction of APTA, That business was sold under duress at 5% of its estimated value. It was valued at $4,000,000. With the CASA overnight change of CASA approval, and continuing uncertainty over its future, its value after 8 months was virtually nothing.

I retained MFT, my school, and that was my last remaining opportunity to derive an income, but soon afterwards, Mc Heyzer came up with a new term "direct operational control". He then required that all my MFT students and employers be transferred to APTA, which effectively resulted in me giving away my business of 15 years. I have made many requests to have :direct operational control defined.

After having APTA trashed and then being forced to transfer my remaining business, MFT to APTA, I negotiated a position as an employee, which as you saw, MR Mc Heyzer then decided to intervene.

So for clarity. CASA have chased after my three potential revenue streams, APTA first. They them homed in on destroying MFT. Once that was achieved, they targeted my last revenue stream being to remain as an employee.

After 15 years as an employee with 30 weeks of annual leave owing, and 3 months long service leave, it all came to an end with all entitlements forfeited.

I viewed this as an unrelated matter to my main case, and approached an Employment lawyer, and they were amazed that he assumed he had that authority. The case is apparently an open and shut one.

The difficulty being that the claim must be made against the Employer, which does not appear fair if they acted under duress. Nevertheless, I will pursue a separate claim for unfair dismissal.

That decision cannot possibly be justified as I have done nothing wrong. I have never compromised safety and I have not broken ANY rules.

My crime. I vigorously defended myself against misconduct by certain CASA personnel.

I will use this opportunity to send a message to all 900 personnel that work in CASA. THe vast majority of you are highly professional, and I have a high level of respect for them.

Every CASA employee has the right to say.

"Im sorry but I choose not to get involved in this matter, for professional reasons".

If they choose to get involved, I will hold them fully to account.

It is time for each and every person within CASA to reassess their involvement, because they will soon have to justify their decision making.

glenb is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2019, 21:29
  #703 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: moon
Posts: 3,564
Received 89 Likes on 32 Posts
ACCC?

Glen, you may wish to consider a complaint to the ACCC because some CASA activity sounds like maybe, possibly, perhaps....... engaging in anti competitive behavior. Your allegations sound like a subset of that called restraint of trade. It is, AFAIK, illegal to prevent someone from plying their trade (ie offering their services in the marketplace) if they have the qualifications and licenses to legally do so. It is a form of anti competitive behavior. I don’t think the ACCC can investigate without a reference from either Government or the public, but if they got their teeth into CASA it might be enough. What’s the old mantra? Follow the money.

Similarly there is the issue of barriers to entry into markets - preventing new entrants into the market place is wrong if the barriers are created by CASA and can be shown to not be in the public interest. The difference in instructing between the U.S. and Australia may be an example, like wise the whole, expensive AOC process and perhaps the behavior of CASA in “liking” certain operators and “unfriendliness” others which may be anti competitive behavior.

‘The complaint to ACCC would be that CASA is engaging in anti competitive behavior which is not in the public interest. CASA would argue, but.......safety. There would need to be examples of restrictions/cancellations/ etc that can be shown to have a little or no impact on safety but a big, disproportionate negative economic effect. The use of criminal law, the AOC system including charging by the hour to “assess” an application, CAR 206?, the treatment of instructors, CVD and other medical issues, maintenance regulations, airport/ALA rules and your and similar personal issues MIGHT be of interest to the ACCC.

There is plenty there for a bright young economist to get their teeth into and make their name. After all, the two airline policy was scuppered by Robin Hocking, a Melbourne economist who tragically died far too young.

Such a finding by the ACCC might be of interest to the real powers in Government - the treasury and perhaps PM&C.


Sunfish is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2019, 21:37
  #704 (permalink)  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 1996
Location: Utopia
Posts: 7,414
Received 198 Likes on 110 Posts
"......if they have the qualifications and licenses to legally do so."
You've just taken it out of the ACCC's mandate and back into CASA's jurisdiction.
tail wheel is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2019, 21:53
  #705 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Queensland
Posts: 2,422
Received 8 Likes on 4 Posts
There appears to be the thought Glen's handling of his matter is not causing concern and turmoil in CASA. I seriously doubt that is the case.

The Iron Ring has closed around the CASA staff involved as CASA will never admit wrong or mistake. Regardless of cost, morals, Regulations or The Act, CASA will progressively take all players out of the game, the "reticent" operator, the operators senior and management staff and the CASA staff involved. That is exactly what occurred in my case, in a previous life, previous century.

In my case, it ended up with return of the AOC in a very remote place and the comment from a DAS that "The matter should have been handled differently". It was a long time later that I found out "the matter" was probably related to an unrelated event a decade earlier.
Torres is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2019, 03:09
  #706 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
Age: 71
Posts: 1,475
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
THE ‘REAL’ BIG PICTURE

Glen, for the Board to ‘acknowledge’ your complaints, in writing, that would make them complicit, in ‘their’ opinion. Hence putting anything in writing will almost serve no purpose or cause any gain for you whatsoever. Government is a system, and under the Westminster system western Governments have had over a century to craft a system where the Government and/or its employees remain unaccountable, free from recourse and totally absolved from being responsible for any adverse outcome. That power in the hands of sociopaths and psychopaths is frightening, but very real. It’s like having ‘an open cheque book’. Under the Public service act CASA officers do hold many delegations, all to which one would be held accountable against if one wasn’t a Government Department.

CASA, an arm of Government operates with such impunity. An endless bucket of money to fight you with, the ability to destroy your reputation, drive you broke with stall tactics, delays, obsfucation, denial, and even the good old ‘Friday afternoon 16:59 pm fax’ as they issue you a show cause and make sure you never recover. It’s a game to them. A game that has power hungry sociopaths jerking off in excitement as their perverse lusts are satisfied.

To add to this; CASA, it’s Board, it’s DAS and the Minister will never allow a bug (and I mean that with no disrespect, but in the context of how they all view you) to bring any of them to justice. It won’t happen mate. Too big and too powerful.

Do I feel for you and support you? Totally and unequivocally. But the reality is that they have you by the balls mate. The harder you push, by way of public exposure, the harder the hammer is going to finally hit you. It’s not morally right. It’s not ethical. It’s downright disgusting. But that is how this Country’s citizens have and will always be treated. You can’t win Glen, sorry. This course you are taking will only burn you more. You win against this behemoth mate, sorry.

Many a dragon slayer has stood before the CASA dragon and attempted to slay it, and failed in their attempt. Regardless, best of luck Glen, you deserve justice.
Paragraph377 is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2019, 07:03
  #707 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: In a house
Posts: 402
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
It’s probably time we broke the wheel then.

The government works for us, and we pay taxes to fund it.

If it stops working for us, it’s time to correct that one way or another. Either through democratic process, or through such things as royal commissions.

Nick Xenophon was always a sympathetic ear for anything CASA. Perhaps it’s time for you to seek him out? He may be able to point you in the right direction.
Blueskymine is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2019, 09:21
  #708 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
Age: 71
Posts: 1,475
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
CASA - do as we say, not do as we do!

That’s the issue - we are not a democracy!! People need to wake up and realise that. And if people can’t see it, then they are blind or ignorant, or both.
Australian example only; Speed cameras, facial recognition, oil Barron’s ripping us off, employers ripping us off, Coles/Woolies duopoly gouging us, taxes upon taxes, Government computer algorithm’s, phone and television software spying on us and reporting data to Government agencies, having to report transactions over $10k, the Government attempting to make cash transactions over $10k illegal, freedom of speech being eroded and in some cases becoming a jailing offence, police forces being militarised, CASA being a fully sanctioned, funded and legal Government entity bullying, destroying, and breaking innocent businesses, then there is red tape, regulations, increases in rules and laws with no repealing of old ones, being told where, how and when we can take a ****, and that’s just for starters.

What ‘freedom’? What rights? Bulldust. Why is it that CASA has particularly gotten away with so much crap over its past failed 30 years? How many inquiries, senate estimates, investigations, ombudsmen complaints, evidence against them proven yet always the same outcome - NOTHING CHANGES!! Nobody fired, nobody locked up, nobody apologising, nothing! That’s your ‘democracy’ in action
Paragraph377 is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2019, 11:21
  #709 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Australia
Posts: 358
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Glen has a compelling case in my opinion. Justice can be gained through a number of mechanisms. However, financial justice can only be sought through legal avenues.

There are a number of aspects to this case that may, to put it plainly, lead to adverse findings upon the regulator. And that's witnout even involving the media. I'm reluctant to go into further detail, as it will simply provide further Friday reading material for CASA officers...

Australia's public services are erroding more quickly than even I thought possible. Senior staff retiring or leaving, experts moving into consulting (charging back to government), well-intentioned but unempowered staff choosing other careers. What are you left with? The aspiring under-achievers who cling onto a (relatively) well-paying job, but are deficient in technical expertise (they can often be found googling industry information - I kid you not!). It's little wonder that government agencies require external reference groups to do their work - they have very little internal expertise left!

I commend you Glen, for fighting for your rights.
Stickshift3000 is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2019, 19:45
  #710 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 58
Posts: 1,103
Received 70 Likes on 36 Posts
accountability

In approximately one week, it will be 12 unacceptable months that this saga has dragged on. Throughout that period there were never any safety allegations of any sort raised. There were never any allegations of a regulatory breach.

Quite simply a "decision maker" within CASA changed his mind. It wasn't a committee, and it wasn't a panel. It was a man, and I simply want that man to stand up and say. "I am that man within CASA that made that decision!"

Its that simple. I want that man to put his name to this situation. Its time!

That man is, Mr Graeme Crawford OR Mr Craig Martin OR Mr Jason Mc Heyzer OR Mr Shane Carmody OR Mr Anthony Mathews OR Dr Alek

One of those 6 men. Is the decision maker.

It is essential that Australia's aviation safety regulator is accountable and can explain their decisions. Quite simply, I want that man to be a man, and step forward, and explain. For example.

My name is Mr Graeme Crawford, the Executive in charge of the Aviation Group of CASA.

I am the ultimate decision maker, and ultimately I accept responsibility. I stand by the manner in which my personnel have conducted themselves, and my advice to the Board is that we should defend the CASA position. I understand that will be an expensive process in terms of resources, nevertheless, that is my advice.

I have reviewed CASAs regulatory philosophy, and I have an understanding of Glens allegations. I have no concerns, and no raised eyebrows. Glen claims that he has been destitute by this process. Glen has asked repeatedly to sit down and talk about fair and reasonable compensation for the parties affected, but we have repeatedly denied him that opportunity.

Our preferred course of action is to rigorously defend the CASA position, let us now proceed down that path. I am confident that more than 99% of CASA employees are 100% behind me. They will staunchly support my conduct , and walk more proudly throughout the GA industry because of this. They understand that we are the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, and we are determined to improve safety, despite Glens best efforts"


Seriously, Im not taking the piss. SOMEBOBY accept responsibility. Put a signature to this. Someone.

Mr Prime Minister, I urge you. Just ask for that name!

As soon as that name is put forward, this entire issue will be more efficiently resolved. There can be no doubt. I don't know who that person is. It may not be Mr Crawford. The Organisational structure suggests it is, but I do not know.

. https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/who...ory-philosophy





glenb is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2019, 20:07
  #711 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 460
Likes: 0
Received 46 Likes on 20 Posts
Originally Posted by glenb
In approximately one week, it will be 12 unacceptable months that this saga has dragged on. Throughout that period there were never any safety allegations of any sort raised. There were never any allegations of a regulatory breach.

Quite simply a "decision maker" within CASA changed his mind. It wasn't a committee, and it wasn't a panel. It was a man, and I simply want that man to stand up and say. "I am that man within CASA that made that decision!"

Its that simple. I want that man to put his name to this situation. Its time!

That man is, Mr Graeme Crawford OR Mr Craig Martin OR Mr Jason Mc Heyzer OR Mr Shane Carmody OR Mr Anthony Mathews OR Dr Alek

One of those 6 men. Is the decision maker.

It is essential that Australia's aviation safety regulator is accountable and can explain their decisions. Quite simply, I want that man to be a man, and step forward, and explain. For example.

My name is Mr Graeme Crawford, the Executive in charge of the Aviation Group of CASA.

I am the ultimate decision maker, and ultimately I accept responsibility. I stand by the manner in which my personnel have conducted themselves, and my advice to the Board is that we should defend the CASA position. I understand that will be an expensive process in terms of resources, nevertheless, that is my advice.

I have reviewed CASAs regulatory philosophy, and I have an understanding of Glens allegations. I have no concerns, and no raised eyebrows. Glen claims that he has been destitute by this process. Glen has asked repeatedly to sit down and talk about fair and reasonable compensation for the parties affected, but we have repeatedly denied him that opportunity.

Our preferred course of action is to rigorously defend the CASA position, let us now proceed down that path. I am confident that more than 99% of CASA employees are 100% behind me. They will staunchly support my conduct , and walk more proudly throughout the GA industry because of this. They understand that we are the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, and we are determined to improve safety, despite Glens best efforts"


Seriously, Im not taking the piss. SOMEBOBY accept responsibility. Put a signature to this. Someone.

Mr Prime Minister, I urge you. Just ask for that name!

As soon as that name is put forward, this entire issue will be more efficiently resolved. There can be no doubt. I don't know who that person is. It may not be Mr Crawford. The Organisational structure suggests it is, but I do not know.

. https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/who...ory-philosophy
Glen, they’re trying to call your bluff. Stick with it.
havick is online now  
Old 18th Oct 2019, 06:46
  #712 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: space
Posts: 389
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Glen. Have the trial. Win and bank your settlement. Then release all details to the media to shame the bastards. F#ck CASA!
zanthrus is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2019, 08:56
  #713 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Sydney
Posts: 289
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by zanthrus
Glen. Have the trial. Win and bank your settlement. Then release all details to the media to shame the bastards. F#ck CASA!
Glen,

I once had a major disagreement with someone. I tried to negotiate but was continually ignored. I had to get my lawyer to sue him, which resulted in a court date. Only then did he negotiate. Unless you actually sue, you are not in a negotiation!

Good luck
Seabreeze
Seabreeze is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:51
  #714 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Santa Barbara
Posts: 912
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Do I feel for you and support you? Totally and unequivocally. But the reality is that they have you by the balls mate. The harder you push, by way of public exposure, the harder the hammer is going to finally hit you. It’s not morally right. It’s not ethical. It’s downright disgusting. But that is how this Country’s citizens have and will always be treated. You can’t win Glen, sorry. This course you are taking will only burn you more. You win against this behemoth mate, sorry.
Respectfully.......... how does CASA have Glen by the balls? He has lost EVERYTHING, he has lost a million dollar home, his 2 businesses, his Super, EVERYTHING. Except his family (I envy the support you have on this front mate).

You want to beware of someone who has nothing left to lose.

Glen, my respect for you grows every day.
The name is Porter is offline  
Old 22nd Oct 2019, 09:46
  #715 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: YMMB
Age: 35
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
GoFundMe

The campaign has been stagnant for last few weeks. Anyone in here with ideas to revive it? I’m pretty keen to see it reach its target by this week. Any inputs is highly appreciated!
dreamagicz is offline  
Old 22nd Oct 2019, 11:56
  #716 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Tent
Posts: 916
Received 19 Likes on 12 Posts
Originally Posted by dreamagicz
The campaign has been stagnant for last few weeks. Anyone in here with ideas to revive it? I’m pretty keen to see it reach its target by this week. Any inputs is highly appreciated!
14 October till now has been $911 increase - so only about $1,000 in the last 7 days.

So $46,911 is the current.

If all that follow chip in $20 per pay, it would be sorted in no time - that or some media coverage, but they are running their own campaign at this time.
Bend alot is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2019, 04:31
  #717 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: YMMB
Age: 35
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
AoA 4

Good to see it’s at 47k+! Just sharing my suggestion with you gents: if we all could share this campaign simultaneously on our Facebook/Twitter accounts on Saturday (26 Oct) at 00:00UTC, I reckon we can help Glen reach his campaign goal amount over the weekend.
dreamagicz is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2019, 06:37
  #718 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
Age: 71
Posts: 1,475
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by The name is Porter
Respectfully.......... how does CASA have Glen by the balls? He has lost EVERYTHING, he has lost a million dollar home, his 2 businesses, his Super, EVERYTHING. Except his family (I envy the support you have on this front mate).

You want to beware of someone who has nothing left to lose.

Glen, my respect for you grows every day.
You said it yourself - CASA has taken everything from him. In my book, that means, they have him by the balls. No amount of money will stop the CASA steamroller from levelling him. Sorry. Not fiction, fact. As I said, Glen has a large set on him, great bloke and best of luck to him, but CASA cannot be beaten. Anyone who has fought them and lost against them will testify to that.

Here is a challenge - if anyone has fought CASA at the same degree that Glen has, and then won and been reimbursed all of those expenses and won a payout against them, please post details here.
Paragraph377 is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2019, 06:41
  #719 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Equatorial
Age: 51
Posts: 1,067
Received 124 Likes on 61 Posts
Originally Posted by Paragraph377


You said it yourself - CASA has taken everything from him. In my book, that means, they have him by the balls. No amount of money will stop the CASA steamroller from levelling him. Sorry. Not fiction, fact. As I said, Glen has a large set on him, great bloke and best of luck to him, but CASA cannot be beaten. Anyone who has fought them and lost against them will testify to that.

Here is a challenge - if anyone has fought CASA at the same degree that Glen has, and then won and been reimbursed all of those expenses and won a payout against them, please post details here.
There is a first time for everything! Glen certainly has a battle ahead, however if the i’s are dotted the t’s crossed and the evidence is there then... Industry support will be a huge key.

Taking on the empire yes - balls of steel. They have gotten away with this ****e for to long.

This has the potential to stop the rot.
Global Aviator is online now  
Old 24th Oct 2019, 06:57
  #720 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: australia
Age: 81
Posts: 207
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I am sure Glen has one big thing against him. Lesser men (or women) probably took money in settlement together with a binding gag order, Glen would never be silenced and they know it so he has a hard road to fight
harrryw is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.