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Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA

Old 10th Oct 2019, 03:58
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Fantastic! Thanks for clearing it up.

Good luck!

What your doing is so vital, hats off to you.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:56
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After 12 months of unbearable trauma, I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

I feel a big broom will go through CASA at the end of this, and hopefully a board change wqill accompany that.
Oh dear.

Good luck.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 10:55
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Glen,
The very best of luck, and I trust your legal advisors have adequate experience in the aviation field.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 11:08
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Oh dear.

Good luck.
But I expect more than the standard name change - with the crowd funding CAsA are getting a sort of "Class Action".

Should Glen win CAsA have lost massive face and many had many options to step forward before this was all public - they chose not to!
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 23:19
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
Glen,
The very best of luck, and I trust your legal advisors have adequate experience in the aviation field.
Tootle pip!!
ĎIf such a case were tried, CASA would be extremely unwise to rely on technical jargon. Judges see through it and have the option of appointing judges associates to help them. I have an acquaintance who assisted this way in a scientific matter in such a case and found the task quite enjoyable, sitting so to speak, at the judges elbow.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 23:39
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I canít wait to see Rome burn.

I wish we could just work under the FAA and adopt the FARs. The FAA actually have a good relationship with industry and GA in the states is everywhere and affordable.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 01:35
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Originally Posted by Blueskymine View Post
I canít wait to see Rome burn.

I wish we could just work under the FAA and adopt the FARs. The FAA actually have a good relationship with industry and GA in the states is everywhere and affordable.
Thats not right, i have worked there and know a few maintainers in the US, the relationship is different, the FAA will fine you or shut you down very quickly where with our mob a fine is just a threat rarely happens. Problem here is the current CASA appear to be in bed with the majors, from what i hear internally people cant get out quick enough rumour is its falling apart inside

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Old 11th Oct 2019, 03:44
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Blueskymine,
Far from true, flight and engineering have great difficulties with FAA at the best of times.
What makes the USA system easy is the plain language the rules are written in, compared to Australia.
If you read AOPA, the real one (USA) magazine they have specialist contributors who offer advice on everything from medical, insurance, handling the FAA, hidden agenda in the regs, flight tests, maintenance.
New Zealand regs would be worthy of consideration..
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 04:05
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Originally Posted by Office Update View Post
Blueskymine,
Far from true, flight and engineering have great difficulties with FAA at the best of times.
What makes the USA system easy is the plain language the rules are written in, compared to Australia.
If you read AOPA, the real one (USA) magazine they have specialist contributors who offer advice on everything from medical, insurance, handling the FAA, hidden agenda in the regs, flight tests, maintenance.
New Zealand regs would be worthy of consideration..
Yeh, from that angle yes agreed

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Old 11th Oct 2019, 13:19
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Originally Posted by Office Update View Post
Blueskymine,
Far from true, flight and engineering have great difficulties with FAA at the best of times.
What makes the USA system easy is the plain language the rules are written in, compared to Australia.
If you read AOPA, the real one (USA) magazine they have specialist contributors who offer advice on everything from medical, insurance, handling the FAA, hidden agenda in the regs, flight tests, maintenance.
New Zealand regs would be worthy of consideration..
Blueskymine et al,
It doesn't matter a damn what the regulations are, if the culture of the "authority" is rotten, CASA with the FARs would be no different to that, which we have.

Re. NZ regulations, they are largely the FARs cleaned up, with a bit of EASA (JAR era) --- but CASA would make mincemeat of them with the present culture.

Most of you seem to have forgotten ---- or never knew or realised ----- but in 1998 we put in place CASR 21 ---- more straightforward and less restrictive than FAR 21, and our CASR 23-35 are fundamentally FAR 23-35 by reference.

And just look what CASA has managed to do with it!!

Tootle pip!!

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Old 11th Oct 2019, 14:25
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
Blueskymine et al,


And just look what CASA has managed to do with it!!

Tootle pip!!
Are STILL doing with it.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 14:45
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
Blueskymine et al,
It doesn't matter a damn what the regulations are, if the culture of the "authority" is rotten, CASA with the FARs would be no different to what we have.

Re. NZ regulations, they are largely the FARs cleaned up, with a bit of EASA (JAR era) --- but CASA would make mincemeat of them with the present culture.

Most of you seem to have forgotten ---- or never knew or realised ----- but in 1998 we put in place CASR 21 ---- more straightforward and less restrictive than FAR 21, and our CASR 23-35 are fundamentally FAR 23-35 by reference.

And just look what CASA has managed to do with it!!

Tootle pip!!
Definitely sounds like a certain authority is in a mess, word is it is in disarray. Just try getting anything approved in a reasonable, turned into a complete joke
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 22:17
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By way of example, a little bird told me last week that CASA is making life really difficult for Gippsland Aeronautics, again, to the point where they may have to move to India. I believe it may be Nomad development that’s the problem but I don’t know.

‘I believe they employ about 160 people in the Latrobe valley and with an economic multiplier of about 8, that’s about 1200 jobs in the valley, but of course CASA couldn’t care less. The founders told me that they made life so difficult for the original airvan that they added at least two years of expensive development time which stuffed their market entry strategy.

P.S. ....and at no time have I ever had to ask about Gippsland Aeronautics, once people know you have an interest in Aviation, they just tell you.

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 06:05
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Only $5,600 left to go.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/glen-buck...Xpz3Mt3w1v5h0A

$45,501 raised to date.

Can you enlighten us on a (GFM) fees update Glen?
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 10:47
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Only $5,600 left to go.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/glen-buck...Xpz3Mt3w1v5h0A

$45,501 raised to date.

Can you enlighten us on a (GFM) fees update Glen?
Sunfish,
The GA8 only ever got a C.of A was because John Anderson finally went off his trolley about the 'unexplained delays" --- certain CASA persons have had it in for them ever since.
The CASA treatment of Gippsland Aero, back in the day, left them virtually broke, hence the sale to Mahindra.
Much of the development work has already shifted to US (not India, DGCA could give CASA lessons in general buggery and terminal delay --- I have worked there as well) ,
I have no inside information, but I would expect a big shift to US, its never going to happen, let alone be a success, here in Oz.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 21:23
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Reality check

Of the thousands of CASA approved organisations out there we only hear in here from those who are disgruntled. This post casts itself as judge and jury but note from the hundreds of comments, they are mostly repeats from a very small group of people, almost all simply have an axe to grind with CASA so it hardly represents industry opinion.

Is it possible GB that you may be to blame for your own predicament, or harsh though it may sound, is everything everyone else's fault. You talk about being treated badly, yet you name CASA people like they have committed a crime, you have judged them and tried them publicly like you have a right to do that. That method is not only wrong, it almost always has the revesrse effect. You choose to publish documents in here yet you choose not to publish anything that might suggest there are two sides to this little fairytale.

Im not intended to defend our regulator but to be clear that not everyone agrees with you and where you suggest you are representing the broader aviation community you are not. Fight your battle definately and have your day but if you lose you will simply provide the regulator with a very public endorsement of their role that the best public relations company in the world couldnt achieve.



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Old 13th Oct 2019, 03:03
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KMAVIATION

Whlist I do very much respect your opinion, I suggest that with that attitude, you may well be employed in the industry but you most likely do not own a business or have a significant investment in aviation in Australia.

The entire argument that I put forward is to actually have the conduct of the personnel independently assessed. I will fully respect an independent determination.

You do need to appreciate that I made a multi million dollar investment in meeting the requirements placed on all of Australias 350 flight training organisations.

May I further suggest that you have probably had a fairly cursory glance, and not fully aware of the circumstances. Neverheless, your post is as important on here, as the many that support me, thankyou. Cheers. Glen
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Old 13th Oct 2019, 03:09
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Kmaviation, I suggest you read the Forsyth review final report in its entirety. You will then understand how wrong your opinion is.
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Old 13th Oct 2019, 03:43
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Kmaviation.......you must work in a very sheltered environment.

Where do we start, outrageously embarrassing poor state of Australian civil aviation regulations, the public infrastructure in private hands, the costs of compliance turning the industry into a desert, individual CASA employees with no will power to make a decision (let alone, heavens forbid, to make a stand on our behalf), or individual gestapo on a personal power kick.

What GB is standing up against reflects just a small part of all of these.

Are you still concentrating?

Dont you understand how much we are all hating the system, how it’s killing us?

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Old 13th Oct 2019, 05:12
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Originally Posted by kmaviation1 View Post
Of the thousands of CASA approved organisations out there we only hear in here from those who are disgruntled.
Im not intended to defend our regulator but to be clear that not everyone agrees with you and where you suggest you are representing the broader aviation community you are not. .
kma,
To the first point ---- there are no longer "thousands" of approved, the number have reduced dramatically in recent years, last time I saw the numbers for maintenance orgs., it was well well below 1000. You do recall, do you, the previous DAS/CEO of CASA, who publicly stated his intention to reduce approved orgs. to the number that CASA would " be comfortable to surveille", or words to that effect.

That is, if CASA believed it didn't have the "resources", it would reduce the industry to suit CASA.

As to the "broader aviation community", maybe not 100% all, but a damned large percentage, including 100% who has ever had an aggressive CASA audit.

As somebody else mentioned, read the Forsyth Report, bearing in mind the bulk of unpublished submissions, including airlines, were as equally critical of CASA as the published submissions, but they declined publication because of feared (an all too reasonable position) retaliation by CASA (remember Tiger Airlines).

Perhaps you would like to give us some indication of where you fit into the aviation scene --- an employee of CASA, perhaps?? Indeed, are you even part of the day to day aviation community.

Tootle pip!!

PS: You do understand, do you, that neither Buckley nor his company have been accused of breaches of the law. He has "just" been put out of business by a change of CASA "policy" --- a bureaucratic decision.
PS2: You really should acquaint yourself with the Rule of Law Institute of Australia and some of the papers by Robin Speed, AO, and others of legal eminence. https://www.ruleoflaw.org.au
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