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QF 63 SYD JNB Post 744 Retirement.

Old 2nd Apr 2019, 05:14
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QF 63 SYD JNB Post 744 Retirement.

Probably one of Qantas' longest standing routes that I've flown several times; are we likely to see a 787 or A380 replacement on this route after the pending 747 retirment next year?
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 05:35
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A330 through Perth
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A330 through Perth
If only suitable etops were available but that would require bleed/HYD & eng maintenance
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Here's a nice MAP with 180, 240 and 330 mins ETOPS shown.

What rules do they use today?
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I believe the original plan was the 380 until they found out they couldn’t go polar with it as it doesn’t have enough fire suppression for the holds. Because of their age the 747 had a dispensation against this requirement. What is plan B? I don’t know. This question also applies to Haneda as Qantas think the 380 will go there however Asiana and Korean have been trying to get it in there for two years unsuccessfully , what’s plan B? No idea.
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Emirates flies it’s a380 over the North Pole every day. Don’t know why quantass wouldn’t do it.
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Emirates flies it’s a380 over the North Pole every day. Don’t know why quantass wouldn’t do it.
Well the north pole isn't exactly on the way

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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 09:23
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Bean counters are pushing A380 to JNB and B787 to Santiago. The B787 is unsuitable for JNB. If the A380 approval does not get the thumbs up, I wouldn’t be surprised if a few 744ER’s are retained for this roll(no need to update, no competition), or the destination will be dropped, due lack of a suitable aircraft, and code share used, ie EK via Dubai, dispite how distasteful the travel time would be, to the seasoned traveler.
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Bean counters are pushing A380 to JNB and B787 to Santiago. The B787 is unsuitable for JNB. If the A380 approval does not get the thumbs up, I wouldn’t be surprised if a few 744ER’s are retained for this roll(no need to update, no competition), or the destination will be dropped, due lack of a suitable aircraft, and code share used, ie EK via Dubai, dispite how distasteful the travel time would be, to the seasoned traveler.
I think on a code share with a Qantas flight number they could operate Sydney, Johannesburg, Dubai.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 09:40
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Originally Posted by maggot
Well the north pole isn't exactly on the way
I assume the OP refers to the QF flight to JNB goes the southern polar route

Is the codeshare with SAA? - they have A340-600's
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Originally Posted by rog747
I assume the OP refers to the QF flight to JNB goes the southern polar route

Is the codeshare with SAA? - they have A340-600's
Ya don't say.
The south pole is a different prospect
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Maggot ~ I never was good with my north and Souths - though I do know where yarpie land is. The point I was saying is that I have never heard of carops (etops due cargo fire suppression - I just made that carops word up - I like it) . We are a long way from a landing spot when we fly past Santa and that limitation has never been brought up before.
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Fire suppression is part of the ETOPS/EDTO certification process. In a nutshell, the suppression has to be capable of keeping the cargo hold ‘supressed’ for the maximum diversion distance plus 15mins. Didn’t think it was an issue for a quads unless it was greater than 180mins. Can’t they fit larger bottles?
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
Maggot ~ I never was good with my north and Souths - though I do know where yarpie land is. The point I was saying is that I have never heard of carops (etops due cargo fire suppression - I just made that carops word up - I like it) . We are a long way from a landing spot when we fly past Santa and that limitation has never been brought up before.

well my first post was just being facetious but the context of the web ...
I don't know of the limits per se but aware there are certain restrictions as mentioned above. I've never done either region flying so....
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Originally Posted by dragon man
I believe the original plan was the 380 until they found out they couldn’t go polar with it as it doesn’t have enough fire suppression for the holds. Because of their age the 747 had a dispensation against this requirement.
The A380:
  • Has a longer cargo fire suppression time than the B744 and B744ER
  • Is approved for Polar Ops
  • Has an exemption against CAO 82.0 EDTO requirements for cargo fire suppression for 4 engine aircraft (just like the B744/B744ER)
There may be a reason that the A380 cannot operate SYD-JNB but they should not be the reasons identifed.
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Apparently the 380 was the preference over the 787 as it has better hot and high performance for the return journey.
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3 more 787-9’s arriving before the end of the calendar year. Surely an announcement where they’ll be flying must be immanent.
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Originally Posted by Bad Adventures
3 more 787-9’s arriving before the end of the calendar year. Surely an announcement where they’ll be flying must be immanent.
Yes

But reading between the lines it’s not going to be Paris because of Perth Airport 🤥

Nor will it be Chicago because the US government won’t play ball

so that leaves.....Syd Sfo with possibly a year round Vancouver service so expedite those pesky 747 retirements
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Santiago, San Francisco and Paris would be my bet.
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Santiago for the 787 if they can get 330 mins ETOPS/EDTO and RNP AP.
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