Qantas B744 stick shaker event near Hong Kong
George Glass tells it how it is.
At the end of a long day none of us are at our best.
The ATSB report states that fatigue was not considered a factor. But does not provide a summary of how many days worked in last month, duty hours in last week, preceding rest, time of sign on etc.
At the end of a long day none of us are at our best.
The ATSB report states that fatigue was not considered a factor. But does not provide a summary of how many days worked in last month, duty hours in last week, preceding rest, time of sign on etc.
It seems if a non caucsasian has an incident it is pilot error (black and white-pun intended) and if a white man fxxks up it is caused by some mythical phenonema that calls for a PhD thesis study.
Just sayin'....
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Do you think they'd have put it back in the air if it wasn't insurable after the repairs? That it went back into the air means QF's standing with the aviation hull insurers was pretty good.[/QUOTE]
$100 million to repair, couldn’t be sold in 2012, then scrapped. Ouch.
Do you think they'd have put it back in the air if it wasn't insurable after the repairs? That it went back into the air means QF's standing with the aviation hull insurers was pretty good.[/QUOTE]
$100 million to repair, couldn’t be sold in 2012, then scrapped. Ouch.
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I know that this is an open forum, but do we really need to put up with clowns nursing a grievance and who have never commanded anything bigger than a row boat?
Holding, especially at the end of a long flight, is a high threat environment.
Holding, especially at the end of a long flight, is a high threat environment.
You my friend have just added to the ignorance of what was a serious incident.
Is Sydneeey.... any different to Heathrow, JFK, Hong Kong or Shanghai?
By criticising what I believe is constructive pilot input adds to the pilot big QF big jet syndrome. This is a stuff up, accept that, accept the criticism and move on.
The more I read the defence of this incident only reaffirms my belief that Australia is living under a big fish, small pond syndrome.
This was a serious incident, now we need to justify the circumstances because it was QF?
I don’t think anyone is defending these guys because they are the Great QF. And other than headline grabber journos like BB and GT, not many have attempted to play the racial issue, by claiming Caucasians are better pilots. Some have rightly called into question training standards in certain countries, but that is not so much a racial issue as a corporate cultural issue. Also in those places where corruption and nepotism is accepted there should be serious concerns about standards. I have seen enough poor performing Caucasian pilots in my time to know that ability is not exclusive to any race.
When there is a major screw up, the old Swiss cheese thingie tells us that usually more than one factor was causal. Fatigue is often played down by the ATSB because they don’t have the science to quantify it, or perhaps are reluctant to cross the mighty Qantas.
When there is a major screw up, the old Swiss cheese thingie tells us that usually more than one factor was causal. Fatigue is often played down by the ATSB because they don’t have the science to quantify it, or perhaps are reluctant to cross the mighty Qantas.
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What speed should the FMS have flown? Ie. How much different to the expected hold speed at F160?
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Nice quote George. "I am a QF pilot I have had a long day, and I to need to hold??" absolves this pilots actions?
You my friend have just added to the ignorance of what was a serious incident.
Is Sydneeey.... any different to Heathrow, JFK, Hong Kong or Shanghai?
By criticising what I believe is constructive pilot input adds to the pilot big QF big jet syndrome. This is a stuff up, accept that, accept the criticism and move on.
The more I read the defence of this incident only reaffirms my belief that Australia is living under a big fish, small pond syndrome.
This was a serious incident, now we need to justify the circumstances because it was QF?
There are NO excuses for this event, there a reasons for sure, two different things that some seem to confuse!
Originally Posted by Maggot
What speed should the FMS have flown? Ie. How much different to the expected hold speed at F160?
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So many questions, so few answers...
So many questions, so few answers...
1. A hard speed was put in the FMC. That speed was too slow for the HOLD they were eventually cleared for.
2. The monitoring of the HOLD entry and ALT capture was deficient.
3. The recovery from the low speed condition was not initially effective.
Why? There were three very experienced pilots onboard, so why indeed?
The only good to come from all this mud slinging is everyone here will be more vigilant in future when entering holding patterns. Not because they’re scared of the boss, because they don’t want to suffer the wrath of PPRuNe!
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Ok, Tim. If that is the case I apologise. Just getting a bit tired of the crap on some of these threads. Especially when you know people involved. The internet needs a shakeup. I think I’ll give it a rest for a while.
There is precisely ZERO evidence of this, it is a figment of anti-QF propaganda. The A380 cost more than $100m to repair too... if the 747 cost that much, a new one at the time was between $200-300M so obviously economic to repair rather than replace.
Couldn't be sold??? How many ex QF 747-400s have been sold... one of them was donated to HARS... the aeroplanes are not saleable generally now other than as freighters so the assertion that it couldn't be sold is irrelevant. Many of it's sister ships were broken up/scrapped as well.
