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CASA temporarily suspends all Boeing 737 MAX operations to/from Australia

Old 13th Mar 2019, 22:11
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This will get very interesting. Boeing had no choice but to ground the type to be responsible.
Hope they get to the bottom of the problem soon to restore confidence in the type..
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 22:32
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Yanks are still flying them and don't get scared so easily, but yanks invented the aircraft and can fly stick and rudder in any case.
And then...

FAA is ordering the temporary grounding of Boeing 737 MAX aircraft (PDF)operated by U.S. airlines or in U.S. territory.
Whats that saying about opening your mouth and confirming to people you’re a fool?
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 22:49
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
This will get very interesting. Boeing had no choice but to ground the type to be responsible.


Indeed it will, no doubt Boeing/FAA's decision will lead to (preparation of/or) a few lawsuits/secret settlements and share price drops!

Presumably the reason they waited so long to all but admit fault.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 00:47
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Well, there are a lot of people on this thread with egg on their faces after the decision to ground the worldwide MAX fleet. Probably none more so than this particular imbecile

Yesterday, the Virgin Independent Pilots Association (VIPA), president Captain John Lyons (ret) said: “VIPA continues to have the utmost confidence in the Boeing 737 and the rigorous training that Virgin Australia provides its pilots.”

“We look forward to its introduction at Virgin Australia as it brings outstanding commercial advantages to the airline and enhanced customer appeal,” said Captain Lyon
Anyone paying money to this fool for representation deserves the pigswill he delivers.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 00:56
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Dear Downdata, Ken, and the Colonel, You do all realise that there are 2 unions at Virgin, don't you? And VIPA has the least representation at Virgin? Snake is right, don't presume that JL speaks for anyone but himself.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 01:05
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It just so happens Virgin delayed the Max for a year. If they didn't, the Max would of been around in Virgin colours from Nov 18.
In hindsight what a good decision that was.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 01:23
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Yeah, maybe the messiah was a whole lot smarter than some people think!!!!! (SARCASM)
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 02:26
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What a strange media statement from a union.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 07:53
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Originally Posted by Marcellus View Post
Well, there are a lot of people on this thread with egg on their faces after the decision to ground the worldwide MAX fleet. Probably none more so than this particular imbecile
Anyone paying money to this fool for representation deserves the pigswill he delivers.
Folks,
In defence of the Virgin pilots, does anybody really think a software glitch will not be well and truly sorted before Virging's first delivery is due in November.

Whatever the problem, nobody has a greater incentive than Boeing to re-certify the aircraft with whatever mods. ASAP.

In defence of Ethiopia, they should not be lumped in with most "darkest Africa" carriers, they have an excellent record, notwithstanding a previous post --- remove the losses from hi-jackings and other losses not strictly operational, and the picture is quite different.

Tootle pip!!

PS: I do not, and have not ever worked for Virgin. I just think the spew of anti-Virgin/VIPA posts reveals more about those posting than anything else --- and what is revealed is not very complimentary.

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Old 14th Mar 2019, 08:54
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post

I just think the spew of anti-Virgin/VIPA posts reveals more about those posting tha anything else --- and what is revealed is not very complimentary.
Are you really that obtuse that you missed the implications and aspersions John Lyons was casting upon the pilots that have had the misfortune of flying and crashing one of these jets?

“VIPA continues to have the utmost confidence in the Boeing 737 [MAX] and the rigorous training that Virgin Australia provides its pilots.”

“We look forward to its introduction at Virgin Australia as it brings outstanding commercial advantages to the airline and enhanced customer appeal,” said Captain Lyon
He looks forward to its introduction. I personally find it distasteful that so soon after hundreds of people die in an accident that he is out there promoting the MAX, particularly given the serious questions regarding its airworthiness. I would suggest that the seriousness of those concerns has been vindicated given the worldwide grounding. I would also hazard a guess that a fair number of Virgin pilots are quietly waiting for the results of the investigations, and happy that they don’t have to put their rigorous training to the test.

I’ve never had a go at Virgin or the Virgin pilots, just the insensitive imbecile who heads up the boutique union for a handful of them, and his coterie of supporters.

Tootle plonk!!

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Old 14th Mar 2019, 14:24
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Originally Posted by Marcellus View Post
Are you really that obtuse that you missed the implications and aspersions John Lyons was casting upon the pilots that have had the misfortune of flying and crashing one of these jets?

I’ve never had a go at Virgin or the Virgin pilots, just the insensitive imbecile who heads up the boutique union for a handful of them, and his coterie of supporters.
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No, I am not obtuse, you choose to read your own interpretations into Lyon's statement. And I don't believe he is either insensitive or an imbecile, either, speaking on behalf of his union body. That is entirely your personal view of the man. Given the fierceness of your feelings, I wonder: what is your backstory??

Tootle pip!! .
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 21:56
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CASA didn’t ground the aircraft, the Minister did. Not enough technical knowledge in CASA to make a decision like that
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 22:29
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That right there is funny.

There’s technical knowledge in the Minister’s office and the Minister has power to ‘ground’ aircraft.

Good one, Vref+5!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 23:11
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BNE & MEL will see a lot of FJ A330s in place of 737 maxs.

In short term to NAN

ex BNE
2 x A330s a week(from 0) & the 2300ish red eye has become an 0210 departure & other Thu red eye has disappeared.

ex MEL
2 x A330s a week(from 0) & all flights depart 0025-0050

ex ADL
2 nonstops a week, seemed to have become 1, so presume pax booked on other will now fly ADL/NAN via BNE, SYD or MEL

ex SYD
presume, there might be some shuffling with new QF service & JQ

So with some flights out of BNE & MEL suddenly having over 100 extra seats, what will FJ do to try & fill them ? Offer more $800 return fares to USA ?
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 13:34
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Originally Posted by maggot View Post
Manually holding a mechanised trim wheel with stick shaker going nuts, amongst other things, at 1000'
Sure it's a simple act and that's why we have a qrh full of stuff like that but something like this shouldn't be occurring with a single failure point
Try restraining a fast turning stab trim by hand and you risk losing skin. The restraining is for a wheel that is coasting due airloads (?) not electrically moving. That is my understanding, anyway
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 14:43
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Originally Posted by Judd View Post
Try restraining a fast turning stab trim by hand and you risk losing skin. The restraining is for a wheel that is coasting due airloads (?) not electrically moving. That is my understanding, anyway
Judd,
A couple of things to consider, the stab "should" not drive (coast) the jackscrew --- they are all square (Acme) threads, stab air loads only locks the nut tighter. Where "coasting" has happened, there was gross wear well beyond limits, negating the fundamental "no back drive" feature of an Acme thread.
Again, in theory, when power is applied to the stab trim motor(s) the brake releases, with no power to the stab trim motors (from whatever source) the brake(s) is on., but it just reinforces the basic engineering of the screw jack.
You are supposed to be able to arrest a main electric runaway by hitting the spinning wheels with your palm, allegedly there is enough slack in the cables for you to then grab and break the handles out --- I have my doubts, im my cases, the cutout switches worked.
As I recall, the stab brake breakout force with no power (manual trimming) makes movement via the handles on the trim wheels a matter of some serious physical effort.
As I said before, I have never done this for real on a B737, only a B707 ( all the aircraft with fully hydraulic/electric controls are quite different) including having two real runaways (both nose down, Murphy's Law) , and as I see it, right to this day, the B737 hardware is fundamentally the same. as the original B737, despite modern "digital" autopilots and associated software systems
Tootle pip!!
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 18:29
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You are supposed to be able to arrest a main electric runaway by hitting the spinning wheels with your palm, allegedly there is enough slack in the cables for you to then grab and break the handles out
Certainly this was being taught on Ansett B737's.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 21:27
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
they are all square (Acme) threads,
Minor point Lead,

They are ACME not square threads. Two different things

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 02:04
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Originally Posted by Lambswool View Post
Minor point Lead,

They are ACME not square threads. Two different things

Lambswool,
Agreed, but this was more a "Keep it simple" explanation, maybe I should have been more precise and siad "squarish" thread ---- in another thread, it was clear many posters did not appreciate the difference between Metric, Imperial and SAE threads on various DH engines.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 03:08
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Ah, I should of known better of you! The devil is in the detail...
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