The utter dishonesty of the Canberra system – MH370
Only yesterday, a Qantas pilot said to me that he does not believe in the murder/suicide theory and believes there is an airworthiness problem with the aircraft – it is tied up with an oxygen cylinder that could blow up.
But I'll play the game - suppose you do manage to tax every passenger worldwide to finance your search for MH 370. What would you do with that $270 million? All the places where they thought it might have ended up have already been searched, so where would you search? Or would you keep taxing passengers indefinitely and spend billions to search all the worlds oceans (at least the ones within range of it's last known location)?
Besides, haven't you been paying attention? MH 370 was shot down by US Military off the coast of Diego Garcia, and all the major bits were collected and destroyed to hide the crime
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Originally Posted by The Banjo
in the time it took for you to type those words more than 8 aussies have died in car accidents/ drug overdoses/cancer/heart disease/ domestic violence/murder/suicide etc etc etc.
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I’m sure the Malaysian government knows more about MH370 than they are letting on .
It quite convenient to be in Australian waters to milk a wealthier country .
Nobody really knows where it is and the evidence so far really does point to some sort of human interference, in that case there is nothing to learn .
The B777 is an extremely robust aircraft and I would say having flown it unlikely to have had such catastrophic and multiple failures all at once !
It quite convenient to be in Australian waters to milk a wealthier country .
Nobody really knows where it is and the evidence so far really does point to some sort of human interference, in that case there is nothing to learn .
The B777 is an extremely robust aircraft and I would say having flown it unlikely to have had such catastrophic and multiple failures all at once !
Just look at the known flight track of the aircraft after they went NINC. What failure would cause an aircraft to fly accurately along FIR boundaries and lose transponder functions?
Get real.
Get real.
Dick's point about CASA is spot on but there should be no levy for MH370. It has nothing to do with Australia. The 777 is a tank just look at the two landing crashes it has survived and evrybody walked away literally.
You can't tell me the NSA/CIA don't have some sort of idea what happened. Those guys monitor everything these days so I am sure they could figure it out if they really wanted to.
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Dick's point about CASA is spot on
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
No it's not. CASA don't conduct accident investigations. The ATSB do. It's not up to CASA to find the thing and find out why it crashed. Their job would be to assess any recommendations or findings arising from that investigation, were it to occur. I note that no other safety regulator in the world has grounded or otherwise restricted the operation of B777's pending the results.
CASA and ATSB are almost one in the same these days anyhow, https://www.casa.gov.au/files/casaatsbmou201503pdf
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Originally Posted by machtuk
Something doesn't add up here !!!!!
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
The flying public should contribute for self interest.
What if they aren’t?
Further, please tell us where the next search will find MH370.
Otherwise, yawn.
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
Traffic. The flying public should contribute for self interest.
There is is a small chance that the Qantas pilot is correct and there is a problem with the aircraft.
Personally I would pay $10 extra a ticket to find the real answer and get some closure on this.
There is is a small chance that the Qantas pilot is correct and there is a problem with the aircraft.
Personally I would pay $10 extra a ticket to find the real answer and get some closure on this.
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I am not sure that a QANTAS pilot should be particularly concerned with that aircraft as the 777 is not part of the fleet. The answer may help aviation safety if it is found but I am certain that the money would provide more safety if used to improve Australian aviation infrastructure.
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fdr and tdracer, just a headsup. You are relying on experience,training,deep knowledge and common sense. However, this is the internet and you are dealing with the tinfoil hat brigade. Argument is futile.
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Dick Smith, the death of so many passengers and crew is a most sad and tragic event. It has changed peoples lives forever. It will have shattered families and unfortunately many may never recover from their grief.
Prior to yesterday, 27 Feb, you had in fact called for a small levy to be put on air tickets. Its so far proving difficult to find any record of this online. How did you make this call for a small levy and to whom? Was it broadcast on radio or television and when did this call to action take place?
Given you seek everyone's support for a campaign to restart the MH370 search, how exactly will your campaign run, will your campaign monitor and collect the 10c levy worldwide and how will you make the process transparent and accountable. How many staff will be needed to operate the campaign you propose and do you have a launch date? Will you have premises available for this campaign and who do you propose to target in this campaign? What media platforms have you planned to use for this campaign?
Will we see you in the main stream media for this campaign to restart the search for MH370 and if so when?
Given you propose a 10 cent levy be added to every ticket, just explain your position that airlines could lose 10 cents on every airline ticket from their profit?
Prior to yesterday, 27 Feb, you had in fact called for a small levy to be put on air tickets. Its so far proving difficult to find any record of this online. How did you make this call for a small levy and to whom? Was it broadcast on radio or television and when did this call to action take place?
Given you seek everyone's support for a campaign to restart the MH370 search, how exactly will your campaign run, will your campaign monitor and collect the 10c levy worldwide and how will you make the process transparent and accountable. How many staff will be needed to operate the campaign you propose and do you have a launch date? Will you have premises available for this campaign and who do you propose to target in this campaign? What media platforms have you planned to use for this campaign?
Will we see you in the main stream media for this campaign to restart the search for MH370 and if so when?
Given you propose a 10 cent levy be added to every ticket, just explain your position that airlines could lose 10 cents on every airline ticket from their profit?
So are Dick and Captain QF suggesting an oxy bottle let go and the FMC got hypoxic and navigated the aircraft across Asia and then Southwest into the Indian?????????? How the hell does a 777 oxy issue explain why the aircraft did not continue Northbound? It went where thew FMC told it too and the FMC was told by SOMEONE where to go.
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Agree with the sentiments re CASA, the rest is utter drivel.
It is no longer search for survivors - they are dead.
It is not a recovery operation - no one knows where it is.
NOBODY knows what happened, other than it took off and came down..... SOMEWHERE.
IF it is ever found it will be a salvage operation, responsibility for which will be with the Malaysian owner and/or operator, the Malaysian Government or whoever wants it - nothing whatsoever to do with Australia.
BTW, did anyone ever find that little bug smasher thing that went down in the Barrington Tops? Perhaps a levy for that may be more appropriate...... in AUSTRALIA!
It is no longer search for survivors - they are dead.
It is not a recovery operation - no one knows where it is.
NOBODY knows what happened, other than it took off and came down..... SOMEWHERE.
IF it is ever found it will be a salvage operation, responsibility for which will be with the Malaysian owner and/or operator, the Malaysian Government or whoever wants it - nothing whatsoever to do with Australia.
BTW, did anyone ever find that little bug smasher thing that went down in the Barrington Tops? Perhaps a levy for that may be more appropriate...... in AUSTRALIA!
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith
Traffic. The flying public should contribute for self interest.
There is is a small chance that the Qantas pilot is correct and there is a problem with the aircraft.
Personally I would pay $10 extra a ticket to find the real answer and get some closure on this.
There is is a small chance that the Qantas pilot is correct and there is a problem with the aircraft.
Personally I would pay $10 extra a ticket to find the real answer and get some closure on this.
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Explaining the entire flight takes some doing trying to construct scenario of a failure or failures.
I have no doubt about it being human interference, highly likely the captain. It was not a malfunction that took on extra fuel ,spoke the final words just before going dark, conveniently turned at the FIR boundary, navigated the Thai- Malay border, made the turn at the skipper's home town or had routes to the Antarctic on their flight sim.
He was politically active , a distant relative of the formerly gaoled opposition leader. He was chasing fluff on line with young models half his age and reportedly had marriage troubles ( no wonder)
Framed perfectly, or, like he actually did it.
Malaysia knew it flew back over the peninsula and let good willed countries search in vain in the South China Sea for a week or more before being outed by the satellite ping data. The then PM himself admitted it was done by human hands but to this day will not admit one of their own very likely did it.
I want it found too ,but I'm quite sure there is no safety issue with the aircraft to warrant a levy.
Ocean Infinity have indicated they are willing to return to searching but want better data.
I have no doubt about it being human interference, highly likely the captain. It was not a malfunction that took on extra fuel ,spoke the final words just before going dark, conveniently turned at the FIR boundary, navigated the Thai- Malay border, made the turn at the skipper's home town or had routes to the Antarctic on their flight sim.
He was politically active , a distant relative of the formerly gaoled opposition leader. He was chasing fluff on line with young models half his age and reportedly had marriage troubles ( no wonder)
Framed perfectly, or, like he actually did it.
Malaysia knew it flew back over the peninsula and let good willed countries search in vain in the South China Sea for a week or more before being outed by the satellite ping data. The then PM himself admitted it was done by human hands but to this day will not admit one of their own very likely did it.
I want it found too ,but I'm quite sure there is no safety issue with the aircraft to warrant a levy.
Ocean Infinity have indicated they are willing to return to searching but want better data.
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Crew O2 Bottle goes bang, takes out xpndr, comms and leaves a large hole in the fuselage.
Crew dons masks, starts the process of running through checklists, calling ATC etc.
PF could have easily selected a southerly HDG mode during these initial moments. Nearest runway?
I have experienced hypoxia in a pressure chamber and can understand how it could have caused unexpected and illogical handling as the mental processing power of the crew degraded toward unconsciousness and death.
I am not an investigator, but it certainly seems a reasonable possibility among others.
Crew dons masks, starts the process of running through checklists, calling ATC etc.
PF could have easily selected a southerly HDG mode during these initial moments. Nearest runway?
I have experienced hypoxia in a pressure chamber and can understand how it could have caused unexpected and illogical handling as the mental processing power of the crew degraded toward unconsciousness and death.
I am not an investigator, but it certainly seems a reasonable possibility among others.
Search away but use Australian resources to do it, nothing wrong designing new stuff if required to do the job.
The spin off in developing new technology, mapping, jobs and possibly core sample data of the deep could be just what we need.
Sadly it would build another government empire!
The spin off in developing new technology, mapping, jobs and possibly core sample data of the deep could be just what we need.
Sadly it would build another government empire!
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QF30 is a bit of thread drift, but it's worth noting that its outcome was quite dependent upon just which bottle failed. Whilst they are all identical, they are in a couple of locations, and orientations. If the bottle that failed had been one of the two crew bottles, not only would it have affected the cockpit supply, but their orientation is such that the 'projectile' could well have hit the rack of seven in which the failure happened. More than one bottle failing would have been far too interesting.
